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What does it look like to let go of sacred spaces when they become sacred cows holding us back from true community?

Wendi Park and Johan Heinrichs reflect on their conversation with Erin Oxford, digging into the tension between presence and programming, buildings and relationships, and how our resources can either empower or entrench our ministry efforts. They share honest stories of surrendering physical spaces—whether a church building or a grand ministry centre—to refocus on relational impact and spiritual formation together. From the need for vulnerability in leadership to the surprising blessings found in mutuality with those we serve, this conversation challenges the church to reimagine how we steward what we have and who we are for the good of our neighbours.

[00:00] "See Beyond Labels"

[04:49] "Embracing Vulnerability in Ministry"

[06:23] "Balancing Family and Ministry"

[10:49] Community Support and Sacrifice

[13:33] "Trusting Intuition Over Buildings"

[18:47] "Fasting from Busyness"

[20:13] "Dream Room: Community Visionary Space"

[23:02] CareLingo: Voluntourism

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