In this milestone first-ever guest episode, I welcome business coach for coaches, Caryn Gillen, to answer a question many business owners wrestle with:

“What do you do when you love what you do, but you don’t want to sell your work?”

Caryn shares her human-first, non-extractive approach to selling: one that’s authentic, empowering, and centered around helping rather than “extracting” money from your audience.

If the thought of selling makes you cringe or you want to create a more relational (rather than transactional) sales process, this conversation will leave you inspired and ready to reframe how you sell.

What we cover:

• Why So Many Business Owners Struggle with Selling – And how to reframe selling from extraction to helping.
• What It Means to “Sell Like a Human” – Caryn’s step-by-step approach to making sales feel natural and relational.
• Creating a Trust-First Sales Journey – Why setting clear expectations before, during, and after sales calls builds buyer confidence.
• How to Serve First & Invite Later – Caryn’s practical strategy for warming up her audience through value-packed events before making any offers.
• Why It’s Okay to Have “Groupies” on Your List – And how to release the pressure for everyone to become a buyer.

Connect with my guest, Caryn Gillen:

Download the FREE 5 Ways to Make Coaching Your Marketing Guide here.

Connect with Caryn on Instagram here.

View the episode transcript here.

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