In light of today’s civic conversations about the escalating costs of law and justice to all of us, it’s eye-opening to revisit this powerful conversation with host Joy Gilfilen and Thomas C. who makes it real. From his perspective as a long-term prison inmate, Thomas offers a compelling “inside look” at the compounding extraordinary costs and unseen ripple effects to everyone associated with incarceration. And that includes us taxpayers. His 1st hand experience, combined with the wisdom to ask the questions, creates a bridge of understanding for all of us who pay the costs one way or another. There are multiple layers of losses from the families impacted, to the government employees who operate the system, and the list multiplies. What if we could intercept those costs?

Originally aired as Episode #139, Thomas recounts his early encounters with law enforcement stemming from a challenging upbringing, then his years of interacting with it over time. It raises critical questions about systems change efforts.

He shares his concerns that the focus leans towards the habit of perpetuating and expanding incarceration which causes losses to the people. What if we could invest more in meaningful rehabilitation, education, and the successful reintegration of inmates into their families so they can be contributors to the community?

Despite the hurdles he faces, Thomas's dedication to positive change shines through as he describes his efforts to support fellow inmates in overcoming obstacles and preparing for their return as contributing members of society.

Don't miss this impactful encore presentation that delves into the human impact of incarceration and advocates for a more rehabilitative approach to justice.