I’m joined by Dr. Nae, trauma bond expert, author of Run Like Hell, and former wife of Jordan Belfort—better known as the Wolf of Wall Street. Dr. Nae shares her story of surviving a deeply toxic and pathological relationship, what it took to finally leave, and how she transformed her experience into a mission to help others heal from narcissistic abuse and coercive control.

We talk about:

• The difference between flawed partners and pathological ones
• What it actually means to be trauma bonded
• The role of cognitive dissonance, coercive control, and the loss of self
• The danger of staying—and the danger of leaving
• How to protect yourself when planning to leave
• What healing really requires (hint: it’s not just time)

Whether you’re in the fog or on the other side trying to make sense of what happened, this conversation offers validation, language, and a path forward.

You can find Dr. Nae at drnae.com, and be sure to check out her book Run Like Hell, her trauma bond recovery community, and her daily insights on Instagram @therealdrnadine.

✨ If you need support, I offer 1:1 coaching, one-off sessions, and resources at emotionalabusecoach.com. You’ll find all relevant links in the show notes.

Support the show

Website: Emotional Abuse Coach and high-conflictdivorcecoaching.com
Instagram: @emotionalabusecoach
Email: jessica@jessicaknightcoaching.com

{Substack} Blog About Recovering from Abuse

{E-Book} How to Break Up with a Narcissist
{Course} Identify Signs of Abuse and Begin to Heal
{Free Resource} Canned Responses for Engaging with an Abusive Partner