Part Two of a 2-part series with Deborah Perry Piscione.

She’s been a White House staffer, a Silicon Valley founder, and now co-author of Employment is Dead. In this final chapter, Deborah unpacks the future of learning, hiring, and leadership. Her son skipped college, built a six-figure business, and learned survival in Antarctica—and she says that path may be more relevant than a classroom.

From blockchain credentials to portfolio careers and life-stage flexibility, Deborah lays out what’s next for both workers and employers. She also answers the big question: does “employment is dead” mean we stop working? Not even close. But we do stop settling.

If you’re a leader, parent, or Gen Zer trying to understand what the future holds—this one’s for you.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Degrees Are Optional, Grit Isn’t

“My son crossed the Drake Passage and got left on a roadside in Argentina. He didn’t go back to college—but he learned more than any syllabus could teach.”

Employment Is Dead? Not Quite

“I’m not saying sit in the basement and play video games. I’m saying don’t tolerate a system that treats you like a cog.”

The Rise of Life-Stage Flexibility

“Whether you’re 25 or 55, you deserve a career path that adjusts to your life—not the other way around.”

Why Employers Must Wake Up Now

“One person can now do the job of three. If leaders don’t plan for that shift, they’ll lose talent before they know what hit them.”

The Most Important Executive Role? CHRO

“Yes, you need a chief AI officer. But you need a human-centered CHRO even more—to help people evolve with the tech.”

The IBM Example

“IBM’s CEO told employees: ‘If this next chapter isn’t for you, we’ll help you find a new path.’ That’s empathy in action.”

Let’s Talk T-Shaped Talent

“It’s not just about your vertical expertise—it’s what else you bring across disciplines that makes you valuable now.”

Redefining Work in the AI Age

“New tech like smart contracts and DAOs will let us work on our terms, from anywhere, on things we actually care about.”

Why Gen Z Might Be Right

“We were told to follow one path. They’re building ten—and most of them don’t involve climbing a corporate ladder.”

What ‘Employment Is Dead’ Really Means

“Traditional jobs may be fading, but work isn’t going anywhere. What’s dying is the idea that your life has to fit inside someone else’s system.”

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What happens when a political insider, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, and a bestselling author walk into a podcast? You get Deborah Perry Piscione.

In Part One of this two-part series, Deborah shares her wild career ride—from shaping policy in Washington to pioneering bottoms-up innovation in tech. She breaks down why fear is a tool in politics, but collaboration fuels real change—and how a chance encounter in a coffee shop led to her first startup and a new lens on what work could be.

From co-founding six ventures to co-authoring Employment is Dead, Deborah’s story is a masterclass in trusting your instincts, failing fast, and knowing when to break the rules. Part Two will dive deeper into AI, upskilling, and why Gen Z might be the smartest workforce we’ve ever had.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Capitol Hill to Palo Alto

“In D.C., I learned how to divide people. In Silicon Valley, I learned how to bring them together.”

The Starbucks That Changed Everything

“A stranger asked, ‘How can I help you?’ Three weeks later, I had venture capital.”

Six Companies, Six Books, No Master Plan

“I didn’t have a big strategy—just instincts, observation, and the nerve to try.”

Innovation Isn’t Top-Down Anymore

“The best ideas often come from the people with the smallest paychecks.”

Risk Is the Real Skill

“You can throw ten ideas at the wall. One might stick. The rest will teach you.”

Founders Dilemma: Know When to Let Go

“Sometimes it’s not about the perfect number—it’s about moving the mission forward.”

Why She Launched Work3 Institute

“People spend most of their waking hours at work. So why do so many feel terrible doing it?”

Old Model, New World

“I never understood why finishing work early meant I had to sit until 6 p.m. Taylorism still haunts us.”

Empowering Workers, Not Just Employers

“We’re not just talking to companies—we’re telling workers: you have choices now.”

Gen Z Knows More Than the Bosses

“For the first time, a generation entering the workforce understands the future of work better than the people in charge.”

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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Deborah Perry Piscione

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Part Three of a 3-part series with Josh Drean.

Josh isn’t here to tweak the old system—he’s here to build a new one. In this final chapter, the Work3 Institute co-founder and co-author of Employment is Dead goes deep on what it actually takes to evolve.

Vince and Josh tackle the hard stuff: Are degrees still relevant in a skills-first world? How does blockchain flip the hiring process? What if your next “employee” is actually a DAO participant with token voting power? And what happens to companies who still think Zoom fatigue is the biggest problem facing the future of work?

If your HR strategy still lives in a Word doc, this episode is your sign to evolve—or get left behind.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Degrees vs. Skills: Why the Shift Is Happening Now

“Degrees used to guarantee employment. Not anymore. Employers are waking up—skills win.”

The Truth About Ivy League Pedigree

“At Harvard, the education’s fine—but it’s the connections that count. That’s the real ROI of the degree.”

AI Has Already Broken the Hiring Process

“You’ve got AI writing job descriptions, AI writing résumés, and AI screening candidates. Humans barely touch the funnel anymore.”

Blockchain and the Rise of the Verifiable Résumé

“With blockchain, we don’t have to trust you—we already know. Your digital wallet becomes your skills passport.”

DAO 101: Flattening Hierarchies and Sharing Power

“A DAO lets frontline workers vote on strategy, not just execute it. It’s work by consensus, not command.”

Why Micromanagers Should Be Nervous

“We don’t need six layers of oversight. Tech lets teams self-govern and move faster—with less drama.”

The Gen Z Warning Shot

“Gen Z isn’t lazy—they’re just not buying the 9-to-5. If you don’t offer autonomy and impact, they’ll leave.”

Spotify’s Win: Let Work Fit Life, Not the Other Way Around

“Companies like Spotify get it—flexibility, rhythm, and respect lead to loyalty.”

From Analog to AI: Vince’s Gen X Reflection

“We learned on Lotus, adapted to Excel, and now manage in the age of ChatGPT. Tech is the bridge, not the barrier.”

Final Advice for Employers: Evolve or Be Replaced

“Change isn’t optional. Either reshape your workplace—or get ready to lose your best people to the ones who did.”

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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Josh Drean

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<