How do childhood dreams translate into powerhouse careers? What happens when your path turns unexpectedly and leads to something even bigger?

In this episode of Where Brains Meet Beauty, host Jodi Katz sits down with Dawn Hilarczyk, COO of Borghese and Vimla Black-Gupta, former CEO of Ourself, to uncover the unexpected twists, bold pivots, and defining moments that shaped their journeys.

Vimla was once voted “Most Likely to Own a Spa” in high school, a prediction that eerily foreshadowed her path in beauty and wellness. Meanwhile, Dawn had two vastly different dreams: becoming a veterinarian or a Fly Girl on In Living Color. So how did they both end up leading major beauty brands?

As they climbed the ranks, they learned that success isn’t just about talent—it’s about seizing the right moment, making fearless decisions, and trusting your instincts. From navigating corporate shake-ups to launching startups, leading legacy brands, and surviving industry disruptions, they share the behind-the-scenes realities of making it in beauty and business.

Of course, there were risks—big ones. Dawn recalls a career-defining moment that involved champagne, a leap of faith, and never looking back. Vimla talks about the power of gut instincts, the relationships that shaped her career, and the unexpected industry shift that changed everything.

What’s next for these powerhouse women? Vimla is diving into the world of wellness, consulting, and shaping the future of World Springs, a luxe mineral hot springs destination. Meanwhile, Dawn is on a mission to transform Borghese from an iconic Italian skincare brand into a modern must-have

And to top it all off, we’re playing a foodie game to pick some fun NYC dining spots, wine bars, and unexpected culinary cravings you’d never guess!