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Kent Beck - Software Engineer & Creator of Extreme Programming
Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates

RESOURCES
Kent
https://bsky.app/profile/kentbeck.bsky.social
https://www.kentbeck.com
https://github.com/KentBeck
https://twitter.com/KentBeck
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kentbeck

Daniel
https://bsky.app/profile/tastapod.com
https://twitter.com/tastapod
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tastapod
https://github.com/tastapod
https://mastodon.social/@tastapod
http://dannorth.net/blog

DESCRIPTION
Kent Beck and Daniel Terhorst-North reflect on the evolution of Extreme Programming (XP) and its lasting impact on agile software development. They explore the importance of short feedback loops, iterative learning, and adaptability in different phases of product development, as outlined in Beck’s 3X model (Exploration, Expansion, Extraction).

Kent introduces radical techniques like Test && Commit || Revert (TCR) and Limbo, which challenge traditional coding and collaboration practices by emphasizing tiny, safe iterations. The conversation ties in psychological safety, a key factor in high-performing teams, as outlined by Amy C. Edmondson.

Kent envisions a future where software development scales in real-time, pushing teams to embrace faster experimentation, responsibility, and continuous learning in a rapidly evolving tech landscape.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kent Beck • Tidy First?
Kent Beck & Cynthia Andres • Extreme Programming Explained
Amy C. Edmondson • The Fearless Organization
Amy C. Edmondson • Right Kind of Wrong
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery

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Stephen Fishman - Field CTO at Boomi & Co-Author of "Unbundling the Enterprise"
Matt McLarty - CTO at Boomi & Co-Author of "Unbundling the Enterprise"
Erik Wilde - Principal Consultant at INNOQ

RESOURCES
Stephen
https://x.com/fistsOfReason
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenhfishman
https://github.com/StephenFishman

Matt
https://bsky.app/profile/mattmclartybc.bsky.social
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattmclartybc

Erik
https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikwilde
https://github.com/dret

Links
https://itrevolution.com/articles
https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages

DESCRIPTION
How can businesses thrive by embracing optionality through digital transformation?
Authors Matt McLarty and Stephen Fishman talk about their book “Unbundling the Enterprise” with Erik Wilde. They highlight the power of APIs and flexible systems in enabling companies to capitalize on unforeseen opportunities, or "happy accidents," and how low-cost experimentation can drive long-term success.

The conversation emphasizes that optionality is crucial not only in tech but also in business strategy, urging organizations to view their digital capabilities as part of a broader platform that supports both developer empowerment and revenue growth. With insights on optimization, platform engineering, and the importance of aligning technology with business objectives, the authors offer a roadmap for companies to navigate the future with agility and resilience.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Stephen Fishman & Matt McLarty • Unbundling the Enterprise
Carliss Y. Baldwin • Design Rules, Vol. 2
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Mik Kersten • Project to Product
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture

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Hannah Foxwell - Independent Consultant & Founder of "AI for the rest of us"
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

RESOURCES
Hannah
https://bsky.app/profile/hannahfoxwell.net
https://medium.com/@hannahfoxwell
https://x.com/HannahFoxwell
https://github.com/hannahfoxwell
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-foxwell

Charles
https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social
https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble
https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble
https://conissaunce.com

DESCRIPTION
Charles Humble and Hannah Foxwell explore the multifaceted challenges and opportunities presented by emerging technologies, modern work practices, and management dynamics.

They emphasize the importance of methodologies like pair programming, flexible work designs, and inclusive team environments, especially for accommodating neurodiverse and introverted individuals.
Foxwell introduces the “three-teams model” to guide new managers in aligning with direct reports, leadership peers, and cross-functional collaborators. She underscores the significance of equitable leadership through mentorship, coaching, and sponsorship, particularly for underrepresented groups.

Exploring AI’s potential, Foxwell highlights its transformative impact on software development and enterprise processes while cautioning against rushed adoption. She advocates for thoughtful experimentation and user-centric design, noting the need for cultural and structural shifts to fully realize AI’s benefits. Ultimately, the conversation centers on intentionality, empathy, and the need for organizations to balance innovation with human-centric practices. [...]

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery
Barbara Oakley • A Mind For Numbers
Pooja K. Agarwal & Patrice M. Bain • Powerful Teaching
Barbara Oakley & Olav Schewe • Learn Like a Pro
Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topolog

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