If you or someone you know has been divorced, is going through a divorce or even thinking about one, please give a listen to Heather and Steph's conversation with Jessica Ashley and her signature powerful insights. Steph, Heather, and Jessica keep it very real and go deep in this episode about finding our way through divorce, including personal stories of what happened, and what it's like now and fears we can reframe. With class and grace, Jessica reminds us that we have been working a muscle that we will need, and all we have to do when the next heavy thing comes is remember to use it. She also gives us some powerful tools for communicating how it's going with our kids, and stands firm in the truth that "ultimately, for some us, it (divorce) is about saving our own lives." You don't want to miss this one!

Sidenote: this episode is only marked "explicit" due to our ability to cuss.

Jessica Ashley is rewriting the narrative of divorce. She is the Divorce Coach for Moms, a CDC Certified Divorce Coach®, and helps women thrive through transitions with grace, creativity, and maybe some cussing. On TikTok and Instagram (@divorcecoachformoms), Jessica is a mom's best girlfriend in divorce, posting two videos daily to a rapidly growing audience of women seeking community and clarity. She's the author of The Blended Family Q&A: 400 Questions to Spark Fun and Thought-Provoking Conversations (Rockridge Press, 2021) and three self-published books for divorcing women. Jessica is an award-winning content creator and writer, and teaches a graduate communication class at Northwestern. Tune in to her as a speaker and guest expert on TV, radio and podcasts, including Oprah's Super Soul Sunday Life Class, Martha Stewart Radio, Listen to Your Mother, and Northern Trust. Jessica wears inappropriately high heels to cheer from the sidelines at her children's track meets, soccer matches and gymnastics competitions. She (reluctantly and instinctively) responds to both Jessica and Ashley.

Show notes:

Jessica Ashley

⁠Divorce Coach For Moms⁠

⁠Stefania Pomponi⁠

Join Steph and Heather for a candid conversation celebrating ONE YEAR of podcasting, including 47 shows and 10 fantastic talented lovely guests! What have we learned? What do we love about this? Is it proof of growth as humans, the way we can document it here? Yes, that's a big part of it. We've been doing this bare bones project and we're happy with our process (or lack of a process) . P.S. This episode includes Heather's favorite Steph quotes, too!

Ann Imig ⁠Listen Life Coaching⁠

Maggie Ginsberg ⁠Still True⁠

Deb Rogers - ⁠Florida Woman⁠

⁠Casey Coombs ⁠

⁠Taya Dunn Johnson⁠

Pamela Dayton

⁠Adrienne Jones⁠

⁠Kristen Mei Chase⁠

⁠Laura Tremaine⁠

⁠pre-order⁠ BONUS Secret Episodes especially ⁠Amber Haines⁠

⁠The Life Council ⁠ 10 Friends Every Woman Needs

⁠We Can Do Hard Things with Dr. Becky ⁠

Mayam Bialik's Breakdown with ⁠Cory Feldman⁠

and the one with ⁠Amber Tamblyn⁠

⁠Listening in the Dark⁠ (book of essays)

⁠Laurie White⁠

⁠Stephanie's Instagram⁠ - Questions for Luna

⁠Enlightened⁠ on HBO Max

Dave Grohl's ⁠Storyteller ⁠

⁠Our Missing Hearts⁠ by Celeste Ng

This week on the Hearty Podcast, Steph records her thoughts from a walk with her dog in the bitter cold and Heather responds from outside a recovery meeting. What parts of your story do you want to share? What are chapters that don't need writing? How do you get inspired when there's so little clarity? This and more, including what Steph is watching that you need to watch, too.

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