• HVT-002 The Honor of the Queen

  • Oct 2 2022
  • Duración: 1 h y 48 m
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  • 4.0 out of 5 stars (2 calificaciones)

HVT-002 The Honor of the Queen

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  • Welcome to the second book in the Honor Harrington main series of books. Let’s continue our journey into the Honorverse!

    The second book in the series is titled “The Honor of the Queen”. Like the first book, it was also published in 1993 by Baen Books. This one ran 422 pages. The events in this story take place approximately three years after the events that occurred in “On Basilisk Station”.

    After a strong setting of the stage in the first novel, David Weber tosses us right into the action in this second book—and that’s almost an understatement! Honor is selected to be the senior, uniformed military officer on a diplomatic delegation to Grayson, under the leadership of Admiral Courvosier, who serves on the delegation out of uniform and in a diplomatic capacity. He selects Honor to participate based on his knowledge of her abilities spanning her career back to her days at the Academy. He is not only Honor’s professional mentor, but also a father figure for her. There is also a career academic on the delegation—Reginald Houseman. He is a participant based on those credentials, but he has very limited practical experience, and as a result, a very narrow view of foreign policy, politics, leading to a somewhat different agenda than that of the Queen and her Foreign Office. He also holds the military in disdain, causing very real problems for Admiral Courvosier and the rest of his team. As you read the book, you’ll notice most of his criticisms of the professional military aren’t true and are in fact self-indictments.

    The situation is this: the great opposing power to Manticore is the People’s Republic of Haven. In an effort to create a defensive buffer to Haven, Manticore works to influence Grayson to ally with them, essentially blocking a future invasion route into Manticoran space. At the same time, Grayson is engaged in a struggle with a radical and increasingly hostile neighboring system called Masada. Haven is supporting Masada in their attempt to conquer Grayson and secure the invasion route to Manticore.

    To add a layer of complexity to the situation, Grayson is essentially a theocracy that had previously separated itself from humanity many centuries prior, finding society too secular. In an ironic turn of events, Masada separated itself from Grayson for the same reason, now viewing Grayson as apostate. The relationship between Grayson and Masada was abrasive to begin with and has only grown cooler as time has passed. To add one more layer of complexity to the situation Admiral Courvosier and Honor enter: the government of Grayson, based on their particular view of religious law, has placed women in their culture in a status that leaves them subordinate to men and essentially without rights. In practice, they’re more akin to beloved pets rather than equal humans. They have very few rights, especially when it comes to holding positions of power or responsibility within the government, including serving as officers in the military. When the delegation makes contact with Grayson, the culture of Manticore, and the senior commissioned female officer (also a ship’s captain as well as a squadron commander) finds herself at immediate odds with Grayson and the purpose of the mission.

    In the midst of that friction, things begin to go badly when tension becomes combat. Hostilities break out with significant tactical (and possibly more significant) losses for Grayson and Manticore, Grayson cautiously (perhaps reluctantly) accepts the offer of alliance made by Manticore, placing their cultural views (biases?) on the back burner. Honor’s expertise, actions and leadership are on display for all to see as she represents the Queen’s intent when it comes to protecting Grayson and working to achieve a formal alliance. Honor also suffers a significant physical and personal loss as the result of her faithful and honorable service.

    David Weber gives us an incredible...

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The Discussion is Mostly Good, But...

The overall discussion is good and the topics discussed are great. However, it's grating how we have a fanboy who chimes in and sort-of sounds like, "Shart" from 'The Mayor of Noobtown' (LitRPG). Then we have some guy who it's evident he's not interested. He can't even read the dang book well enough to truly participate in the discussion and the other two guys have to carry and prod him along. The 3rd guy is okay in my book.

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5/5

Ok. This was definitely better than OBS. Moved into the action and drama quite a bit faster.

As I listened to this episode, I had a realization. I used to feel largely the same way 2/3rds of your podcast did about the extended cast of characters. When I picked up the audio books I noticed that I actually enjoyed the books more then I used to. I originally thought that I just wasn’t giving sections of the book a proper shake until the format change forced me to. And maybe that is part of it... But I am becoming convinced that these books are Better during a reread.

White Haven barely had a part in the first book. Here he gets roughly 3 or 4 scenes, twice what he had before. But not enough to really do anything with. Despite that the characters remain themselves as the story goes forward. Reading these small section with the retrospective knowledge of the characters makes them feel so much more important because I’m already hooked on them.

I have a distinct memory of not really being able to keep track of the smaller characters book to book. The book you’re reading will gently remind you where you know the character from and proceed apiece. If you remember them you’re rewarded because their Essential Selves remain consistent while their internal narrative has continued to progress.

This, if I’m correct, is definitely a weakness of the series because it’s harder upon new readers. This is an aspect of Weber’s writing that I feel like was much better done in a newer (but still massive) series he’s worked on called Safehold. In that series I feel like Weber does a better job waiting to introduce characters when they have a more substantial part to play. After I finish this part of the Honorverse I think I’ll go back to Safehold to check.

Regardless, I deeply love how Weber scuffled viewpoints as the story unfolded. We go back and forth, hearing what they think of each other and what they deduce, then the viewpoint reverses an we get new details. Particularly where the Manticorians and Graysons were figuring each other out And where the Havenites and the Masadans were constantly attempting to work around the other. Listening to the Havenites think about how stupid and backwards the Masadans are, on,y to get the Masadans thinking about how gullible the Havenites are while being blind to things the Havenites think are obvious. Fascinating.

Regarding Honor’s injuries, they a,punt they came out really didn’t start out to me. It felt like it came up when She would’ve been thinking of it. But this is my fourth time through the book. I’ll also admit to a certain fascination with her injuries the first time I read through it. I may have been just the right age for it to not take me out of the story.

Regarding the possible template.... eh, not really. It’s the most true at the front of the series, but then the various genera chicks we occasionally see plus the advancing plot lines and seniority of our protagonist does a good job shaking things up. The biggest thing is, you can usually be pretty sure Honor will get through the situation, but that usually doesn’t prevent things from becoming pretty tense.

My favorite scenes this book has, the scenes I remember years between reads, are the scene where Honor and Nimitz throw hands, and the scene where Honor has classical music piped through the ship systems in their darkest hour. No matter how long I go before a reread, those scenes Stick.

5/5. Easy. As I sit here, for the first time really critically thinking through this series I’ve loved for so long, I think This might be My favorite Honor Harrington book. I’ve always thought Echo of Honor, or Ashes of Victory were my favorite. But really thinking it through, This book might take it. I’m exited to examine these thought as we go forwards.

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