Some people recover from COVID in weeks; others feel broken for months—what could be the difference?

In this episode, I talk with Dr. Evan Hirsch, a fatigue expert who’s helped thousands recover from long COVID and chronic fatigue using his four-step Energy MD Method. We explore the "toxic five" hidden factors like mold, infections, and nervous system overload that often go unaddressed in standard care. He also explains why common treatments like IV ozone might backfire if your body isn’t ready, and why gentle nervous system retraining can sometimes be the missing piece. Whether you’re dealing with lingering symptoms or just trying to understand this complex condition better, there’s a lot to unpack here.

If you're still not feeling like yourself months after COVID, this conversation could help you connect the dots and know what to do next. Tune in now!

Episode Timeline:

0:01 - Episode Overview

1:08 - Podcast Intro

1:41 - Meet Dr Evan Hirsch and His Fatigue Recovery Mission

3:07 - What Long COVID Looks Like and Why It Persists

3:58 - COVID and the Rise of Chronic Illness

4:55 - How Common Is Long COVID

5:56 - Why Some Get Long COVID While Others Don’t

6:35 - The Toxic Five and Their Lasting Impact

7:56 - Long COVID Often Starts Long Before Infection

8:40 - Why Genetics Play a Smaller Role

9:50 - Why Early Testing Often Misses Root Causes

10:55 - Understanding the Toxic Matrix in the Body

11:15 - How Nervous System Retraining Transforms Recovery

13:27 - Why Testing Isn’t Always the Best Start

14:55 - Does It Matter What Causes the Fatigue

15:22 - Long COVID and Chronic Fatigue Are Closely Linked

17:15 - Why Killing Every Infection Isn’t the Goal

18:48 - Why Some Spike Protocols Fall Short

20:16- Chronic Lyme Testing Isn’t Always Reliable

21:00 - Why Immune Dysfunction Skews Infection Test Results

24:34 - Standard Lyme and Stool Tests Often Miss

25:19 - Using Herbs Instead of Antibiotics for Infections

26:38 - Why Ozone and IV Therapies Can Backfire

28:05 - Tincture Dosing as a Safer Alternative

30:49 - Nervous System Retraining for Sensitive Individuals

32:07 - Why Drainage Pathways Must Be Open First

35:00 - Detox Should Be a Drip Not a Flood

36:13 - Micro Clots and the Symptoms They Cause

38:03 - The Four Step Energy MD Method Explained

41:47 - Which Mold and Dental Tests Matter Most

42:02 - What the Emma Mold Test Actually Does

43:37 - How Emotional Stressors Affect Long COVID and Fatigue

46:43 - Where You Can Learn More from Dr Hirsch

46:56 - Episode Wrap Up

47:15 - Podcast Outro

47:36 - Key Takeaways

About Dr. Evan Hirsch:

Evan H. Hirsch, MD, (also known as the EnergyMD) is a world-renowned fatigue expert, best-selling author, and professional speaker. He is the creator of the EnergyMD Method, the science-backed and clinically proven 4-step process to resolving Long Covid and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) naturally. Through his best-selling book, podcast, and international online program, he has helped thousands of people around the world resolve their fatigue. He has been featured on TV, podcasts, and summits, and when he’s not at the office, you can find him singing musicals, dancing hip-hop, learning languages, and traveling with his family.

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