Episodios

  • How One Index Fund Can Make You a Millionaire | JL Collins

    How One Index Fund Can Make You a Millionaire | JL Collins
    Jun 10 2025
    Andy Hill welcomes back JL Collins—often dubbed the “Godfather of FI”—to discuss the updated and expanded edition of his bestselling book, The Simple Path to Wealth. Together, they demystify investing, discuss the power of index funds, and share how building FU Money can unlock freedom and solopreneur dreams. JL shares lessons from 50 years of market data and why “set it and forget it” is still the winning strategy. RESOURCES: ⁠Sponsors + Partners + Deals⁠ The Simple Path to Wealth (book): ⁠https://amzn.to/3ZnqLD4 (affiliate) Chapters 00:00 – The Simplest Investing Advice You’ll Ever Hear00:36 – Why So Few People Invest in the Stock Market01:53 – Why Investing Feels So Complicated (Thanks, Wall Street)03:06 – Index Funds 101: Why They Work04:57 – How Index Funds Are Self-Cleansing06:10 – Avoiding Analysis Paralysis: Stick to One Fund08:17 – Do You Need to Switch Brokerages for Better Funds?09:30 – Should You Add International Stocks? JL’s Take12:02 – Set It and Forget It: The Power of Automation15:42 – The “Tweaky Path” vs. The Simple Path16:16 – Filtering Out Financial Fear in the Media20:22 – Investing: A Psychological Game22:45 – 50 Years of Market Returns: What the Data Really Says27:48 – FU Money: Your Runway to Solopreneurship and Freedom29:42 – Buying Freedom vs. Buying Stuff31:47 – Is This Time Really Different? (Spoiler: It’s Not)33:46 – Planning for Black Swans? Or Betting on the 99%?35:25 – How to Get Started Today: One Simple Step36:48 – Where to Find the Updated Book and More Resources MKM RESOURCES: ⁠MKM Coaching⁠: Want 1-on-1 support with your family finance journey? Book a time with me today. ⁠Coast FIRE Calculator⁠: A free calculator to help you find out when you can slow down or stop investing for retirement. ⁠Mortgage Payoff Calculator⁠: A free calculator to help you see how fast you can become mortgage free. ⁠YouTube⁠: Subscribe for free to watch videos of these episodes and interviews. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES (SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES): ⁠Monarch Money⁠ - Best Budget App for Families & Couples ⁠Empower⁠ - Free Portfolio Tracker ⁠Crew⁠ - HYSA Banking Built for Families - Get an Extra 0.5% APY with my partner link ⁠Ethos⁠ - Affordable Term Life Insurance ⁠Trust & Will ⁠- Convenient Estate Planning HOW WE MAKE MONEY + DISCLAIMER: This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS: Podcast Artwork: Kayli Johnson Editor: Johnny Sohl Podcast Support: Nev Maraj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    42 m
  • Pat Flynn: Achieve More By Learning Less (Solopreneur Life)

    Pat Flynn: Achieve More By Learning Less (Solopreneur Life)
    Jun 5 2025
    Andy Hill sits down with bestselling author and digital entrepreneur Pat Flynn to discuss how "lean learning" can help overwhelmed parents and solopreneurs cut through the noise, focus on what really matters, and take meaningful action. Pat shares how absorbing less information — but more intentionally — can lead to quicker progress, stronger results, and more time for what truly matters: family, health, and creativity. Whether you're starting your first business, juggling multiple podcasts, or just looking to reclaim some peace of mind, Pat’s approach to learning less but achieving more might be just the antidote you need. Resources: ⁠Sponsors + Partners + Deals⁠ Lean Learning (book): ⁠https://amzn.to/3Hs6JkG (affiliate) Chapters 00:00 – Introduction to Lean Learning and Overcoming Information Overload01:40 – Meet Pat Flynn: Entrepreneur, Author, Father, and Back to the Future Fan04:12 – How Information Obesity is Slowing Us Down06:25 – What is Lean Learning? A Golf Story That Explains It All08:26 – Public Speaking, Force Functions, and Learning One Skill at a Time10:42 – The Microsoft Word Ebook That Made $200K: Just-in-Time Learning in Action12:42 – The Double Meaning of “Lean” and the Power of Focus13:50 – What Should Solopreneurs Do With Their Newfound Time?14:55 – The “One-One-One” Strategy for Starting a Business17:09 – Solopreneur Pitfalls: Fear, Procrastination, and Why We Over-Plan19:10 – Fishing with One Jig: A Metaphor for Mastery21:17 – Alternatives to Information Overload While Driving or Exercising23:36 – Why Taking Action > Passive Learning25:37 – Where to Find Pat’s Book “Lean Learning”27:00 – Why Focusing on One Project at a Time Delivers Faster Results29:00 – Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts MKM RESOURCES: ⁠MKM Coaching⁠: Want 1-on-1 support with your family finance journey? Book a time with me today. ⁠Coast FIRE Calculator⁠: A free calculator to help you find out when you can slow down or stop investing for retirement. ⁠Mortgage Payoff Calculator⁠: A free calculator to help you see how fast you can become mortgage free. ⁠YouTube⁠: Subscribe for free to watch videos of these episodes and interviews. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES (SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES): ⁠Monarch Money⁠ - Best Budget App for Families & Couples ⁠Empower⁠ - Free Portfolio Tracker ⁠Crew⁠ - HYSA Banking Built for Families - Get an Extra 0.5% APY with my partner link ⁠Ethos⁠ - Affordable Term Life Insurance ⁠Trust & Will ⁠- Convenient Estate Planning HOW WE MAKE MONEY + DISCLAIMER: This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS: Podcast Artwork: Kayli Johnson Editor: Johnny Sohl Podcast Support: Nev Maraj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    34 m
  • Pay Off The Mortgage, Save or Invest?

    Pay Off The Mortgage, Save or Invest?
    Jun 3 2025
    Samme from Chicago recently became debt free. She and her husband now have extra money. Should they pay off their mortgage, save or invest? Andy shares his thoughts. Andy also interviews Brittany Flammer, a financial coach, YouTuber, and mom of five, who has grown her family’s net worth to over $850,000 by age 39—despite a modest household income. 👩‍👧‍👦 Brittany shares: How she and her husband prioritized financial freedom over flashy spending The smart money habits that helped them grow their net worth on an average of $40K/year How they're raising financially capable kids without fully funding college Why giving, budgeting, and intentionality have been cornerstones of their success Their roadmap to becoming millionaires soon Last but not least, Andy's son Calvin Hill joins for a Money Quiz. They are covering school coming to a close, net worth topics and enjoying summer. EPISODE RESOURCES: Sponsors + Partners + Deals Brittany Flammer (website): https://brittanyflammer.com/ CHAPTERS 00:00 – Use Your Money According to Your Values00:25 – Welcome & Today’s Three-Part Show Outline01:00 – Listener Question: Mortgage vs. Saving vs. Investing02:24 – Sam’s Voicemail: Conflicted About Mortgage Strategy03:20 – Breaking Down the 3 Options: Save, Invest, or Pay Off Mortgage05:45 – How Much Emergency Savings is Enough?07:30 – Coast FIRE Explained & Retirement Account Strategy09:50 – When and Why to Pay Off Your Mortgage11:30 – Step-by-Step Financial Independence Roadmap12:38 – Net Worth Win Segment: Brittany Flammer Interview13:40 – Brittany’s Motivation: Security & Freedom15:00 – Building Wealth on a Modest Income16:45 – Saving, Budgeting, and Investing from the Start18:30 – Net Worth Breakdown: Cash, Investments, and Home Equity20:15 – Reaching $858K Net Worth and Nearing $1M21:00 – Generational Wealth: Teaching Kids About Money24:45 – Budgeting, Saving, and College Planning with 5 Kids27:00 – Teaching Generosity and the Habit of Giving29:45 – Advice for Others: Just Get Started30:59 – Where to Connect with Brittany Flammer31:40 – Money Quiz Segment with Calvin34:50 – Calvin's Money Lessons and Omnifix Cubes35:35 – What Is Net Worth? Calvin’s $11K at Age 1137:40 – How Many Days Are in Summer Vacation?38:20 – Final Quote & Show Wrap-Up MKM RESOURCES: MKM Coaching: Want 1-on-1 support with your family finance journey? Book a time with me today. Make My Kid a Millionaire Course: Want to build generational wealth and happiness for your kid? Learn more about my course! Coast FIRE Calculator: A free calculator to help you find out when you can slow down or stop investing for retirement. Mortgage Payoff Calculator: A free calculator to help you see how fast you can become mortgage free. YouTube: Subscribe for free to watch videos of these episodes and interviews. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES (SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES): Monarch Money - Best Budget App for Families & Couples Empower - Free Portfolio Tracker Crew - HYSA Banking Built for Families - Get an Extra 0.5% APY with my partner link Ethos - Affordable Term Life Insurance Trust & Will - Convenient Estate Planning HOW WE MAKE MONEY + DISCLAIMER: This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS: Podcast Artwork: Liz Theresa Editor: Johnny Sohl Podcast Support: Nev Maraj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    44 m
  • Student Loan Default Collections Resume. What Does This Mean?

    Student Loan Default Collections Resume. What Does This Mean?
    May 27 2025
    In this episode of the Marriage Kids and Money Podcast, Andy Hill is joined by Robert Farrington and Jordan Biesinger to explore two powerful financial topics: tackling student loan debt and achieving Coast FIRE. First, Robert Farrington, founder of The College Investor, shares urgent updates on the resumption of student loan default collections, what borrowers need to know right now, and smart strategies for managing debt amid confusing government changes. Then, we switch gears with Jordan Biesinger, a Coast FIRE success story. Jordan and his wife hit Coast FIRE in their 20s and chose to move to China for a simpler, more financially free life. He shares exactly how they did it—and how you can too. EPISODE RESOURCES Robert Farrington (Website): https://thecollegeinvestor.com Jordan Biesinger (YouTube): https://youtube.com/@BiesingerFIREJourney CHAPTERS 00:00 - Intro01:30 - The Return of Student Loan Collections02:50 - What Happens If You Default on Student Loans04:20 - Forbearance vs. Default: Key Differences05:45 - Don’t Count on Future Forgiveness07:00 - The Trillion-Dollar Student Loan Problem08:00 - The SAVE Plan: Dead or Alive?09:40 - Using the Forbearance Window Wisely10:40 - Alternatives to the SAVE Plan12:00 - How to Find Out Who You Owe13:40 - Increasing Income and Cutting Big Expenses15:45 - Is College Still a Smart Investment?18:00 - The ROI Reality of a College Degree19:30 - Where to Find More Help from The College Investor21:00 - Coast Fire Family: Jordan’s Journey Begins21:45 - The Coast Fire 5 with Jordan23:00 - How Real Estate and Frugality Fueled Their FIRE25:30 - From Student Loans to Coast FIRE27:00 - Index Funds and Simple Investing28:30 - Income Growth Through Career and Side Hustles30:00 - Life and Work Abroad After Coast FIRE31:30 - Investing Beyond Retirement32:30 - Teaching Financial Literacy to the Next Generation33:45 - Why They Chose to Move to China35:30 - Coast FIRE as a Path to Flexibility and Healing36:30 - Life in China and Living Simply37:30 - Final Advice for Achieving Coast FIRE MKM RESOURCES: MKM Coaching: Want 1-on-1 support with your family finance journey? Book a time with me today. Coast FIRE Calculator: A free calculator to help you find out when you can slow down or stop investing for retirement. Mortgage Payoff Calculator: A free calculator to help you see how fast you can become mortgage free. YouTube: Subscribe for free to watch videos of these episodes and interviews. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES (SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES): Monarch Money - Best Budget App for Families & Couples Empower - Free Portfolio Tracker Crew - HYSA Banking Built for Families - Get an Extra 0.5% APY with my partner link Ethos - Affordable Term Life Insurance Trust & Will - Convenient Estate Planning HOW WE MAKE MONEY + DISCLAIMER: This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS: Podcast Artwork: Liz Theresa Editor: Johnny Sohl Podcast Support: Nev Maraj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    43 m
  • Time Is Finite So Act Like It (Bread & Wine)

    Time Is Finite So Act Like It (Bread & Wine)
    May 20 2025
    We all know time is a finite resource. Why do we keep overallocating our time? It all feels like too much of what we're supposed to do and not enough of what we want to do. In this Bread & Wine episode, Andy and Nicole discuss how their time has been swallowed up recently, how they are fighting back, and how you can own your time, too. MKM RESOURCES **Sponsors + Partners + Deals: ⁠https://www.marriagekidsandmoney.com/sponsors⁠ ⁠Leave a Review: Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Leave a Rating: Spotify⁠ ⁠Instagram⁠: Follow our IG channel OTHER EPISODES YOU MIGHT LIKE ⁠Die With Zero: When FIRE Meets YOLO⁠ ⁠Reflecting on Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps 10 Years Later⁠ ⁠Are We Morons for Paying Off Our Mortgage Early?⁠ DISCLAIMER This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS Podcast Artwork: Kayli Johnson Creative Director / Show Director: Nicole Hill Editor: Andy Hill Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    44 m
  • Fear Is A Great Motivator to Invest | Sam Dogen (Financial Samurai)

    Fear Is A Great Motivator to Invest | Sam Dogen (Financial Samurai)
    May 13 2025
    Feeling uneasy about your finances in today’s economy? Learn how to turn fear into your greatest investing motivator with Sam Dogen, founder of Financial Samurai. In this powerful episode, Sam shares how fear helped him build wealth, leave a high-stress Wall Street job, and create true financial independence. Whether you're just getting started or trying to level up your savings rate, this conversation will inspire you to use fear—not as a crutch, but as a catalyst. RESOURCES: Sponsors + Partners + Deals Millionaire Milestones (book): https://amzn.to/4jOuh1n (affiliate) CHAPTERS 00:00 – The Role of Fear in Hard Times00:20 – Show Intro: Using Fear to Drive Financial Action01:30 – Should Families Be Fearful of Today’s Economy?02:30 – How Fear Can Be a Powerful Motivator03:40 – When Fear Becomes Paralysis04:15 – The Concept of “Return on Effort”05:15 – What is a Saving Rate and Why it Matters06:30 – How to Calculate Your Saving Rate07:45 – Sam’s Saving Journey: From Goldman Sachs to FIRE10:00 – Facing the Financial Crisis and Learning from It11:15 – The Fear During 2008 and Lessons for 202512:50 – Investment Strategies: Beyond the 401(k)13:45 – The Utility of Stocks vs. Real Estate Investing15:15 – Reaching Financial Independence and Negotiating a Severance17:20 – Financial Independence with Kids: The New Fear18:15 – The Dual Unemployed Parents Dilemma20:00 – Optimal Parental Anxiety and Letting Go21:00 – One Final Piece of Advice for Struggling Families22:00 – Understanding Bear Markets and Historical Cycles23:00 – Where to Find “Millionaire Milestones” by Sam Dogen23:20 – Andy’s Top 3 Takeaways from the Interview25:25 – Closing Credits and Final Thoughts MKM RESOURCES: MKM Coaching: Want 1-on-1 support with your family finance journey? Book a time with me today. Coast FIRE Calculator: A free calculator to help you find out when you can slow down or stop investing for retirement. Mortgage Payoff Calculator: A free calculator to help you see how fast you can become mortgage free. YouTube: Subscribe for free to watch videos of these episodes and interviews. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES (SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES): Monarch Money - Best Budget App for Families & Couples Empower - Free Portfolio Tracker Crew - HYSA Banking Built for Families - Get an Extra 0.5% APY with my partner link Ethos - Affordable Term Life Insurance Trust & Will - Convenient Estate Planning HOW WE MAKE MONEY + DISCLAIMER: This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS: Podcast Artwork: Kayli Johnson Editor: Johnny Sohl Podcast Support: Nev Maraj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    30 m
  • Can Coast FIRE Survive This Market Downturn?

    Can Coast FIRE Survive This Market Downturn?
    May 6 2025
    Coast FIRE is when you've front-loaded enough investments to simply coast to retirement without any further contributions. But with this stock market downturn as of late, is the idea of Coast FIRE dead? We'll share how our portfolio is holding up and discuss what to do to keep our Coast FIRE dreams alive. Second, we’re back with our Net Worth Win segment. This month, we’re featuring Michelle Onaka from Intentional Money Life. Michelle has grown her net worth to $900k by 37 years old. We’ll learn how she did it and how this helps her family travel more. Last, my son Calvin will be reading the month's review and I’ll quiz him with some money questions. We're talking about recessions, investing, and going on our first cruise! EPISODE RESOURCES: Sponsors + Partners + Deals Michelle Onaka (website): https://Intentionalmoneylife.com CHAPTERS 00:00 - Intro01:30 - Coast FIRE Amid Market Turmoil02:46 - Revisiting 2021 Coast FIRE Numbers04:17 - Impact of Market Downturn on Retirement Outlook05:03 - 6 Ways We're Keeping Coast FIRE Alive11:46 - Interview: Michelle Onaka’s $900K Net Worth Journey13:19 - Motivation Behind Michelle’s Wealth Building15:55 - From Low Income to Six Figures18:16 - Smart Saving and Investing Habits20:18 - What’s in Michelle’s $1M+ Asset Portfolio22:37 - Liabilities and Mortgage Strategy23:58 - Teaching Kids About Generational Wealth25:51 - Why Their Kids’ Accounts Are in Their Names27:36 - The Future: More Travel, Less Work29:30 - How to Connect with Michelle Onaka33:31 - Calvin’s 3-Question Money Quiz37:17 - Social Shout-Out & Book Giveaway38:10 - Final Thoughts MKM RESOURCES: MKM Coaching: Want 1-on-1 support with your family finance journey? Book a time with me today. Make My Kid a Millionaire Course: Want to build generational wealth and happiness for your kid? Learn more about my course! Coast FIRE Calculator: A free calculator to help you find out when you can slow down or stop investing for retirement. Mortgage Payoff Calculator: A free calculator to help you see how fast you can become mortgage free. YouTube: Subscribe for free to watch videos of these episodes and interviews. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES (SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES): Monarch Money - Best Budget App for Families & Couples Empower - Free Portfolio Tracker Crew - HYSA Banking Built for Families - Get an Extra 0.5% APY with my partner link Ethos - Affordable Term Life Insurance Trust & Will - Convenient Estate Planning HOW WE MAKE MONEY + DISCLAIMER: This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS: Podcast Artwork: Liz Theresa Editor: Johnny Sohl Podcast Support: Nev Maraj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    44 m
  • Paid Parental Leave and It's Life-Long Benefits | Isabelle Hau

    Paid Parental Leave and It's Life-Long Benefits | Isabelle Hau
    Apr 29 2025
    Paid parental leave can have lifelong benefits for families — but why is the U.S. so far behind? Isabelle Hau, author of Love to Learn and Executive Director at Stanford's Accelerator for Learning, joins the show to break down how paid leave improves the lives of parents, children, and workplaces. Also, Stacey Blackshear from Virginia shares how she and her husband achieved Coast Fire with $500k by 40 years old — and how it's helping them create more time and freedom for their growing family! EPISODE RESOURCES Isabelle Hau (Website): https://www.isabellehau.com/ Stacy Blackshear (Website): https://www.rewirebehavior.com CHAPTERS 0:00 - Open2:30 - What is Paid Parental Leave and Why It Matters3:40 - Benefits for Children and Parents7:00 - The U.S. Paid Leave Problem: 80% Without Access8:00 - Why Other Countries Get It Right (and We Don't)9:00 - Companies Leading the Way on Paid Leave10:30 - Paid Leave’s Impact on Retention and Productivity11:30 - Ideal Time Off: 12 Weeks to 6 Months13:00 - The Rising Importance of Paternity Leave14:30 - Advice for Workers and Employers16:50 - Isabelle Hau's New Book and Final Thoughts17:30 - Stacey Blackshear - Coast Fire19:00 - Financial Lessons from Divorce and New Beginnings21:00 - Investing Smartly and Building Wealth25:00 - Slowing Down Work to Focus on Family28:00 - Teaching Good Money Habits to Kids32:30 - Stacey’s Advice for Financial Freedom34:15 - How to Connect with Stacey MKM RESOURCES: MKM Coaching: Want 1-on-1 support with your family finance journey? Book a time with me today. Coast FIRE Calculator: A free calculator to help you find out when you can slow down or stop investing for retirement. Mortgage Payoff Calculator: A free calculator to help you see how fast you can become mortgage free. YouTube: Subscribe for free to watch videos of these episodes and interviews. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES (SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES): Monarch Money - Best Budget App for Families & Couples Empower - Free Portfolio Tracker Crew - HYSA Banking Built for Families - Get an Extra 0.5% APY with my partner link Ethos - Affordable Term Life Insurance Trust & Will - Convenient Estate Planning HOW WE MAKE MONEY + DISCLAIMER: This show may contain affiliate links or links from our advertisers where we earn a commission, direct payment or products. Opinions are the creators alone. Information shared on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Marriage Kids and Money (www.marriagekidsandmoney.com) is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. CREDITS: Podcast Artwork: Liz Theresa Editor: Johnny Sohl Podcast Support: Nev Maraj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    40 m
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