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This series is sponsored by 10ofthose. Resources that point people to Jesus change lives.

The title music is 'When There Are No Words' by Michael J Tinker. The closing song is 'Goodnight to the Old Year' from the same album.

Artwork by Jamin Still.

For the second of my chats with British artists I talk with cartoonist and painter Sophie Killingley. We discuss the grief and loss of church trauma and the importance of naming it so. We look at how art helps express that loss, and how it helped Sophie in her own walk with that kind of grief.

The artwork we talk about can all be found on a dedicated page on Sophie's website.

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About Your Host

Michael J Tinker is a singer-songwriter based in Somerset, England.

He normally is found making music for children but has recently released an album exploring grief and hope, which led him to want to talk to other artists who are doing the same.

Check out the album at michaeljtinker.com

Also, why not have a listen to our sister-podcast for all the family - 'Tinker-Time!'

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