Maybe you love Adaptation, or Synechdoche, or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.The prolific screenwriter Charlie Kaufman discusses some of the diverse and notable projects of his career, starting with his early days as a staff writer for shows like Get A Life, and The Dana Carvey Show. He also recounts the unbelievable, and ultimately life-changing story of his screenplay for Being John Malkovich, a film that nobody initially wanted to make. Franklin and Kate dive with Charlie into the continued fan love for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (for which Kaufman won a writing Oscar), the reactions they all have to Adaptation, and wrap up with a discussion of the Jessie Buckley/Jesse Plemons film I'm Thinking of Ending Things, and so much more.

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Mentions:

• I’m Thinking of Ending Things: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/im_thinking_of_ending_things
• Get A Life: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/get_a_life
• Being John Malkovich: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/being_john_malkovich
• Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/eternal_sunshine_of_the_spotless_mind
• Antkind: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/546823/antkind-by-charlie-kaufman/

When cultural tastemakers get stuck inside what do they watch, read, or play? In this throwback episode that has since become a classic, Franklin and Kate talk to each other about the things they discovered or rediscovered during lockdown. From Animal Crossing and Sarah Cooper, to Ted Lasso and Michaela Coel's I May Destroy You, you'll have some new gems to add to your list. See the show notes for more details!

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This convo took place in 2020. Learn more about The Black List, visit ⁠www.blcklst.com.⁠

Mentions:

• Animal Crossing: ⁠https://animal-crossing.com⁠
• 40-Year-Old Version: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_forty_year_old_version⁠
• Radha Blank on The Black List Podcast: ⁠https://luminarypodcasts.com/listen/ninth-planet-audio-&-the-black-list/the-black-list-podcast/radha-blank/d6c5b3d7-5e87-4aa1-92d1-aabacbe918b8⁠
• Inside Out by Demi Moore: ⁠https://www.harpercollins.com/products/inside-out-demi-moore?variant=32131129442338⁠
• It by Stephen King: ⁠https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/830502.It⁠
• Caste by Isabel Wilkerson: ⁠https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/653196/caste-oprahs-book-club-by-isabel-wilkerson/⁠
• Sarah Cooper: ⁠https://sarahcpr.com⁠
• Ted Lasso: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/ted_lasso⁠
• I May Destroy You: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/i_may_destroy_you⁠
• You Must Remember This Podcast: ⁠http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com⁠
• Karina Longworth on The Black List Podcast: ⁠https://luminarypodcasts.com/listen/ninth-planet-audio-&-the-black-list/the-black-list-podcast/karina-longworth/ccc9d152-7947-48dc-bab8-871300e0c72a⁠ .

Actor and director Jay Ellis joins Kate and Franklin for some real talk. Jay opens up about starring in Top Gun: Maverick and how becoming a father has shifted his perspective on life and work. He also reflects on his iconic role as Lawrence in Insecure—including some truly wild fan encounters—and takes us behind the scenes of his directorial debut on the show. The trio covers career milestones, Mel Brooks, and the magic of storytelling. Plus, in one of the most unexpected turns, Jay shares how Spaceballs (yes, Spaceballs) first made him fall in love with acting.

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This episode was originally published in 2020, behind a paywall. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions:

+Insecure: https://www.hbo.com/insecure

+Top Gun: https://shadowandact.com/new-top-gun-maverick-trailer-shows-at-jay-ellis-in-tom-cruise-sequel

Jeremy O. Harris joins Kate and Franklin to talk about eliciting polarized audience reactions to Slave Play, describes his co-writing process with Janicza Bravo on Zola and talks about accessing the fascinating intersections of high and low culture, and so much more.

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Mentions:

+Slave Play: http://slaveplaybroadway.com

+Zola: http://rottentomatoes.com/m/zola

Academy award winning writer and director Lee Isaac Chung joins Kate and Franklin to talk about the trip to Rwanda that changed his filmmaking trajectory, his deep admiration for Charlie Chaplin and Wong Kar-wai, the making of his irresisitable Minari, and so much more.

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Mentions:

• Minari: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/minari⁠

A very special encore. Kate talks to Barbara Crampton, BJ Colangelo, and Gigi Saul Gurerro about their lives in the horror community, what they're working on, what types of stories they'd like to see told about women in horror, and so much more.

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This conversation is from 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions:

• Barbara Crampton: https://twitter.com/barbaracrampton
• BJ Colangelo: https://twitter.com/bjcolangelo
• Gigi Saul Gurerro: https://twitter.com/HorrorGuerrero

Encore episode with award-winning journalist Soledad O'Brien. She joins Franklin for a conversation about growing up Black, her approach to documentary filmmaking, the state of journalism in the Trump era, and so much more.

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This conversation was recorded in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions:

+New York Times, Soledad O'Brien: A Me Too Movement for Journalists of Color, www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/opinion/soledad-obrien-racism-journalism.html

+Black in America: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/in.america/black.in.america/

+Latino in America: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/latino.in.america/

[Encore] Kate and Franklin sit down with Steven Canals, the brilliant mind behind Pose, to talk about growing up Afro-Latinx in the Boogie Down Bronx, why Cardi B is everything, and how a 2004 screening of Paris is Burning lit the spark that would eventually become one of TV’s most groundbreaking shows. They dig into the complicated, beautiful realities of intersectional identity, the tough questions that came up in the Pose writers’ room, and how Steven stayed true to his vision every step of the way. Plus, he drops some incredible answers to the Black List Pod questionnaire — including a wild (and amazing) mash-up of The Color Purple and Transformers.

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This conversation took place in 2021.To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions:

+Pose: fxnetworks.com/shows/pose

+Paris is Burning: rottentomatoes.com/m/paris_is_burning

+The Color Purple: rottentomatoes.com/m/color_purple

+Terminator: rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator