In this powerful follow-up conversation, Chris and Steve sit down with Jamie Winship to explore how identity—not performance—should guide the way we hire, develop, and even part ways with people on our teams. Jamie shares his unique and transformational perspective on leadership that shifts the focus from fear-based control to identity-based freedom. If you're a leader who wants to build a thriving culture and lead with clarity, this episode will challenge and equip you in profound ways.

🧭 What We Cover (with rough Timestamps):

1. Hiring based on identity vs. resume — [00:03:00] Why role fit should come after identity fit, and how traditional interviews often miss the mark.
2. Jamie’s personal story of identity discovery — [00:10:00] A pivotal moment that revealed how disconnected performance can be from true identity.
3. Interviewing through the lens of truth-telling — [00:22:00] How to transform the hiring process into a blessing by asking questions that access the real person.
4. Helping team members discover identity at work — [00:33:00] Why leadership means helping others become whole—and how work can actually be a place of healing.
5. Letting people go in a way that blesses them — [00:46:00] Jamie shares a redemptive approach to releasing someone that leaves them empowered, not bitter.

Originally recorded in January 2024 for The Overflowing Life, this conversation with Jamie Winship dives deep into the power of living from your true identity. Jamie shares how understanding who you truly are can transform your leadership, relationships, and response to conflict. His journey—from law enforcement to global peacebuilding—is filled with compelling stories and practical wisdom. This re-release sets the stage for a brand-new follow-up conversation with Jamie in our next episode.

What We Talk About:

• From Police Work to Peace-building Jamie shares how his law enforcement background led to work in conflict zones, and how curiosity around human behavior shaped his path.
• 15 min: Understanding Fear-Based Decision Making The roots of fear in leadership and decision-making—and how identity-based leadership offers a better way.
• 28 Min: Identity vs. Roles: The Core of Who You Are Jamie explains the difference between what you do and who you are, with real-life examples of transformation in high-pressure environments.
• 40 Min: Hearing the Voice of God and Leading from Truth Jamie walks through what it means to listen for truth in identity and leadership—and how that plays out in business and everyday life.
• 50 Min The Impact of Identity Work on Team Culture How uncovering identity leads to healthier teams, clarity in hiring, and greater alignment in organizations.

We all want success—but what happens when you hit your goals and still feel unfulfilled? In this episode, Chris and Steve explore the hidden cost of chasing the wrong definition of success. From personal stories of burnout and identity crisis to hard-won lessons about core values and fulfillment, this is a conversation every leader needs to hear.

Together, we unpack:

• Why achievement alone doesn’t lead to fulfillment
• The emotional toll of misaligned goals
• How to redefine success through the lens of identity and values
• The role of surrender and presence in a leader’s journey

If you've ever felt like you're doing everything right—but still feel empty—this one's for you.

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