We have a big show for you all this week as Seena is joined by Jonathan Panikoff, the Director of the Scowcroft Middle East Security Initiative at the Atlantic Council, and Rachel Brandenburg, the Managing Director of the Israeli Policy Forum, to discuss the nature of the current ceasefire between Israel and Iran and where things are likely to go from here. Before that, Seena and Travis wonder what the hell words like “war” and “ceasefire” even mean anymore and watch as JD Vance gets a little too slippery with language.

Our Guests:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-panikoff/

https://x.com/jpanikoff?lang=en

https://israelpolicyforum.org/about/staff/rachel-brandenburg/

https://www.cnas.org/people/rachel-brandenburg

Articles/Resources:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/politics/intel-assessment-us-strikes-iran-nuclear-sites

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jd-vance/iran-vance-intervention-skeptic-role-salesman-rcna214345

https://youtu.be/QeEN1uPiXF0?si=SQTPAWZIwa6Ex7vZ

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jd-vance/iran-vance-intervention-skeptic-role-salesman-rcna214345

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-trump-iran-dumb-presidents-b2774935.html

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/06/23/iran-strikes-nuclear-program-00419268

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/06/22/repub/vance-dispatched-to-la-after-trump-administration-court-victory-in-national-guard-case/

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/06/24/as-veep-former-ohio-u-s-sen-jd-vance-just-cant-stop-trolling-gaslighting-and-flip-flopping/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/trump-iran-israel-bomb-fordow-war/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/after-israels-strikes-on-iran-these-four-questions-could-determine-the-middle-easts-future/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/from-a-to-f-heres-how-to-grade-a-possible-nuclear-deal-with-iran/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/gaza-cease-fire-is-over-whats-next-from-israel-hamas-and-the-us/

https://www.cnas.org/publications/podcast/the-israeli-iranian-war-how-we-got-here-what-it-means

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