"Equality will not free us," says Marcie Bianco, author of Breaking Free: The Lie of Equality and the Feminist Fight for Freedom. But if equality isn’t the goal, what is? And what does true liberation actually look like?

In this episode, Marcie joins neurobiology expert Rajkumari Neogy to unpack the limits of equality as a political ideal and the systems that uphold it. Together, they explore why equality has historically served as a tool of white supremacy, how feminism’s early alliances shaped its trajectory, and why freedom requires more than just policy change. Instead of aiming for sameness, they argue for a new paradigm—one rooted in interdependence, accountability, and care.

Tune in to learn:
• Why the fight for gender equality has failed to dismantle systemic oppression
• How privilege, power, and punishment shape the American understanding of freedom
• The neuroscience of interconnectedness—and why liberation is a relational practice

With intellect, urgency, and emotional depth, this conversation challenges the very foundations of our social and political structures. If you’ve ever questioned what it really means to be free, this episode is essential listening.

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Then, Now & Tomorrow, an original podcast series by ibelong
Is it possible to feel safe at work? Neurobiology expert Rajkumari Neogy absolutely thinks so. Join us for conversations that will blow your mind as we explore what it takes to foster inclusive leadership and cultivate resonant cultures in the workplace.

Watch or listen on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Credits
Produced by Flowship
Creative Director: Annabel Mangold
Original Music Composer: Dario Valderrama

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Meet ibelong
At ibelong, we've developed a neurochemical approach that solves for workplace exclusion and conflict. We study workplace scenarios that lead to dissatisfaction and have built a framework to understand why people are feeling undervalued, and how to change it.

Learn more at http://www.ibelong.com.