In this episode of The Sleeping Barber Podcast, Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros welcome Hilary Borndahl to discuss the critical role of measurement in marketing, with a focus on marketing mix modelling (MMM) and its impact on ROI. They explore the challenges marketers face in justifying budgets, the importance of understanding ad stock, and the consequences of cutting marketing spend.

The conversation also covers the evolution of digital marketing, the balance between performance and brand marketing, and the value of MMM in providing a holistic view of marketing effectiveness. Marc highlights the growing need for integration between paid and organic search, the influence of audio advertising on consumer behaviour, and the complexities of modern consumer journeys.

Other key topics include targeting strategies, AI’s role in marketing measurement, and the necessity for CMOs to be data-savvy. The episode also examines the effectiveness of creative in campaigns and the rising significance of metrics like the Marketing Effectiveness Ratio (MER) in evaluating media performance.

Our Guest:

Hilary Borndhal, CEO & founder of Miix Analytics

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hilary-borndahl/

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Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

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Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction to Measurement in Marketing

02:56 - Introduction to Hilary, Miix Analytics & the Insights Association

06:07 - The Wanamaker Dilemma and ROI Challenges

08:59 - Understanding Ad Stock and Its Importance

11:49 - The Impact of Cutting Marketing Budgets

15:08 - The Role of Digital Marketing Today

18:03 - Performance Marketing vs. Brand Marketing

20:51 - The Evolution of Measurement Techniques

24:04 - Marketing Mix Modeling Explained

26:56 - Benefits of Marketing Mix Modeling

30:14 - Review Cycles for Marketing Mix Modeling

33:01 - Balancing Brand and Performance Investments

39:42 - The Integration of Paid and Organic Search

42:07 - The Role of Audio in Marketing

44:58 - Consumer Behavior and Search Dynamics

50:37 - The Complexity of Consumer Journeys

54:21 - Narrow vs. Broad Targeting in Marketing

58:43 - The Impact of AI on Marketing Measurement

01:01:15 - Post-pod Discussion - Marc and V's key takeaways and insights from the conversation