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Leadership and discipleship—two words we hear a lot in church, but do they really mean what we think they do? In this episode of the Christian AF Podcast, Jesse, Jen, and Evan dive into the messy overlap of leadership and discipleship in the church. Is leadership about casting the widest net, or is it about leading people deeper into faith? And when did discipleship become more about programs than relationships?

The crew takes a hard look at the history of leadership in the modern church, from the corporate-style CEO model to the disciple-making movement that often feels slower—but might actually be the fastest way to grow the Kingdom. Along the way, they explore how leadership has shifted away from spiritual formation and toward spreadsheets, stats, and shallow retention.

If you’ve ever wondered why the church sometimes feels more like a business than a body of believers, or how discipleship fits into your day-to-day life, this episode is for you. So grab a drink, lean in, and rethink what leadership and discipleship could look like in a healthier, more intentional church.

EPISODE DRINKING NOTES:

Colonel E.H. Taylor Small Batch Bourbon
Frankfort, KY
Straight Bourbon Whiskey | 100 Proof

Pig Minds Brewing – Vanilla Maple Stout
Machesney Park, IL
Stout | 6% ABV

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