In this episode, siblings Ari Sarna and Ilana Sarna Toledano reflect on how growing up as grandchildren of survivors shaped their lives. Together they recall tender moments piecing together their family's painful past, the significance of visiting the small shtetl where their grandfather, Joseph Sarna was born, and the impact on their family since Ari’s original interview was published.

Reflecting on the eerie parallels between the Holocaust and October 7th, Ari and Ilana recount their personal experiences while in Israel. Amidst the somber reminder of persistent antisemitism, the siblings find hope and resilience in their family’s legacy.

Their story is a powerful call to share survivors' firsthand accounts while possible and to strive for a world where "never again" is a reality.

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Ari shares the story of his grandfather, Joseph Sarna, who was the oldest of six boys, born to a religious family in Dzialoszyce, Poland. Joseph was born with a leg deformity, and the Polish doctors told Joseph’s parents to amputate. His parents went to the Chief Rabbi, who told them if it doesn’t hurt when he walks, to leave it alone, which ultimately saved Joseph’s life during the way. Ari shares how despite his disability, Joseph’s strength of character and grit got him through horrific conditions during the Holocaust. Ari shares Joseph’s story of survival from Plaszow Concentration Camp, Oscar Schindler’s factory, narrowly escaping death at Auschwitz, and brutal working conditions at Mauthausen. He reconnected with the woman who would become his wife, in Deggenedorf Displaced Person’s Camp, after the war. Joseph survived the Holocaust through a series of miracles, and went on to become a success - both in business and in life, someone who was adored by his family and greatly respected by his community.

If you heard what Ari heard, you would never forget.

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If you heard what I heard, you would never forget, and you would do everything possible to make sure what happened to our grandparents and their families never happens again.

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