In/Organic Podcast

By: Christian Hassold
  • Summary

  • I’m Christian Hassold, host of the In/organic Podcast. I’ve spent 24 years building and leading SaaS companies. When my last company was acquired in 2017, I was presented the opportunity to build the M&A function from scratch inside a $130 million public company. Though I had led or been a part of more than a dozen multi-million dollar inorganic and indirect growth drivers over my career, this opportunity brought conviction that I had found my new calling. Today, I lead corporate and business development for CommerceIQ, a Silicon Valley unicorn. In addition I advise investors and entrepreneurs on growth strategy.


    On the In/organic Podcast, I open source my learnings on mergers and acquisitions, indirect partnerships and international expansion to my audience in hopes I can help those who follow me passover common mistakes and double down on winning business development strategies that can accelerate growth and find the fastest path to the right outcome. Join me and my guests on this journey to be a tide that rises all the boats in hyper growth SaaS companies.




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    Christian Hassold 2023
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Episodes
  • E22: Case Study on Getting M&A Right in Early Stage SaaS ft. Crisp
    Jan 12 2025

    Summary

    In this episode of the Inorganic Podcast, host Christian Hassold delves into a case study on the startup Crisp (gocrisp.com), which has successfully executed four acquisitions over the last 2 years. The discussion covers the company's background, the leadership dynamics, and the strategic rationale behind its inorganic investments. The episode serves as a case study to demonstrate what good M&A looks like in an early to mid stage SaaS company and what features of M&A targets companies should be thinking about at that stage. As a part of the discussion, Christian dives into some of the deal specifics and the economic benefits to Crisp based on opinion and publicly accessible information.


    Takeaways

    - M&A could be as effective as traditional sales, marketing, and product investments.

    - What problem is Crisp solving and why is it important

    - Background on Crisps substantial financing and debt rounds

    - What kinds of M&A has Crisp executed and why

    - How the deals Crisp has executed have likely helped fuel their growth

    - What can other startups learn from Crisp's approach to M&A

    - Order of the kinds of deals a company might do is a consideration in building the M&A muscle in an early to mid-stage SaaS company

    - The startup ecosystem often underestimates the value of M&A


    Chapter Markers

    0:00 Introduction

    03:19 The Case for M&A in Early Stage Startups

    05:14 Crisp's Company Profile

    08:28 Pre-conditions for M&A in Early Stage Startups

    13:37 Breakdown of Crisp's Four Acquisitions

    20:37 Crisp's Acquisition Strategy

    22:01 Financial Case for Crisp’s M&A

    24:28 Analyzing the Order of Crisp's Deals

    26:37 Reflecting on Crisp's Strategy

    28:10 Conclusion


    Connect with Christian & In/organic Podcast

    Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/

    In/organic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/inorganic-podcast

    In/organic on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InorganicPodcast/featured


    Episode References:


    https://www.linkedin.com/in/aretraasdahl/


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/crisp-raises-50m-series-b-140500449.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com


    https://www.sec.gov/edgar/search/#/ciks=0001818100&entityName=Crisp%252C%2520Inc.%2520(CIK%25200001818100)


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    29 mins
  • E21: Deal Review - Amplitude's $45M Acquisition of Command.AI
    Dec 4 2024

    Summary

    In this episode of the Inorganic Podcast, host Christian Hassled discusses the acquisition of Command AI by Amplitude Software. The conversation delves into the deal's details, including the financial aspects, the rationale behind the acquisition, and the implications for both companies. Christian highlights the challenges faced by early-stage startups in the current economic climate and the strategic decisions that founders must make to exit now or continue burning cash not knowing if the fundraising market will the there for them when they need it. The episode concludes with key learnings from the transaction, emphasizing the importance of founders making the tough decision to sell even when they have a credible product and plenty of runway to keep going.


    Takeaways

    • Amplitude acquired Command AI for $45M, $20M net of cash
    • Amplitude is a public company with a market cap of $1 billion, this is their 5th acquisition in 5 years
    • Command AI was an early-stage startup backed by Insight Ventures, among others. The company reports it was flush with cash and agreed to be sold
    • The deal reflects a smart strategic move in a tough market for SaaS companies.
    • Command AI's technology aligns well with Amplitude's product offerings.
    • This deal is interesting because it helps understand how public companies value venture-backed startups in the current economy.
    • This deal also examples AI tech consolidation and the relative values for such companies.


    Chapter Markers

    00:00 Introduction

    01:7 Background on Command AI

    02:49 Introduction to Amplitude Software

    04:51 Deal Details and Controversy Around Price

    06:00 Analyzing the Deal Structure and Rationale

    09:35 Learnings from the Deal

    11:37 Conclusion


    Connect with Christian & In/organic Podcast

    Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/

    In/organic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/inorganic-podcast

    In/organic on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InorganicPodcast/featured


    Episode References

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/spenserskates/

    https://amplitude.com/blog/amplitude-acquires-command-ai

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41849907


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    12 mins
  • E20: The How: Taking Smartsheet Private for $8.4 Billion with Erik Morton
    Nov 18 2024

    Summary

    In this episode of the Inorganic Podcast, Christian and Erik delve into the complexities of take private transactions, using Smartsheet's recent acquisition as a case study. They discuss the economic challenges facing public companies, the lifecycle of a business transitioning from public to private, and the strategic considerations for boards contemplating such moves. The conversation highlights the importance of fairness opinions and the intricate dynamics of investor strategies in these transactions. In this conversation, Erik and Christian delve into the complexities of take-private transactions, focusing on the negotiation dynamics, the role of advisors, regulatory considerations, the impact on employees, and the financial structuring that influences investor returns. They use the Smartsheet deal as a case study to illustrate these concepts, providing insights into the motivations behind such transactions and the implications for all parties involved.


    Takeaways

    • Public companies face unique challenges that may lead them to consider going private.
    • The lifecycle of a business includes transitioning from public to private ownership.
    • Smartsheet's acquisition is a significant case study in the current market.
    • Initiating acquisition conversations requires careful preparation and strategy. The Smartsheet deal features a go-shop provision allowing for additional bids.
    • Advisors play a crucial role in take-private transactions, including bankers and consultants.
    • Regulatory dynamics can complicate interactions between buyers and sellers.
    • Employees in public companies face different equity compensation structures when taken private.
    • Investor returns are influenced by the capital structure and debt servicing costs.
    • The liquidity of equity compensation differs significantly between public and private companies.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction

    04:04 Understanding Take Private Transactions

    08:28 Analyzing the Smartsheet Case Study

    15:53 Transaction Dynamics and Investor Strategies

    20:44 How Fairness Opinion Works

    23:28 Initiating Acquisition Conversations

    29:18 Advisors in Take-Private Transactions

    31:48 Do's and Dont's for Potential Acquirers

    37:33 Impact of Take-Private Transactions on Employees

    45:41 Erik Morton's Hypothetical Simple Exit Waterfall

    51:38 Conclusion


    Connect with Christian & In/organic Podcast

    Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/

    In/organic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/inorganic-podcast

    In/organic on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InorganicPodcast/featured


    Connect with E20 guest, Erik Morton on LinkedIn

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikimorton/


    Episode References

    https://investors.smartsheet.com/news/news-details/2024/Smartsheet-to-be-Acquired-by-Blackstone-and-Vista-Equity-Partners-for-8.4-Billion/default.aspx


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/smartsheet-to-be-taken-private-by-pe-firms-in-8-4-billion-deal-7296758c



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    53 mins

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