Serena gets in the booth with couples therapist and Esther Perel mentee Dené Logan to discuss how she sees modern relationships shifting, the hidden energetics impacting our partnerships, and why we should rethink endings in this soulful, surprising interview. This episode of On the Table is shot live from a home in Los Angeles, CA and features conversations about the messiness of being human. Dené Logan Instagram & TikTok: @dene.logan Website: denelogan.con Serena Smith Instagram: @serenasmith__ + @onthetablewithserena Website: serenasmith.co Our killer crew Director/DP/host husband: Ian Smith Gaff/Grip/Op: Luke Dejoras Audio: Thomas Snodgrass Producer: Max Ostrove Powered by eclipse.video About the host Serena Smith is a host, producer, writer, and dancer who has interviewed GOATs like Gloria Steinem, Pharrell Williams, Misty Copeland, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Gabriela Cámara, alongside too many friends and strangers to count. A four-time Emmy nominee, she was formerly Supervising Creative Producer at MasterClass – where she directed series spanning from food to feminism and won a James Beard Award – and Senior Producer at Larry King Now, which included writing the host’s questions and interviewing guests. She got her start in the industry working for Oprah Winfrey, was a restaurant critic in Chicago, and during one college winter break played a fairy princess who granted children wishes. It was magnificent. Raised in Montreal, Vancouver, and Chicago, Serena graduated from Northwestern’s Medill School of Journalism with a minor in psychology and an incorrigible curiosity about the human condition. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband, ‘On the Table’ director Ian Smith, and their remarkable community of friends. If you need her, chances are she’s onstage at Stud Country.