A setback is a setup for a comeback.

For ​Shelby Houlihan, this comeback is nothing short of remarkable. After her suspension was lifted on January 15, 2025, she wasted no time making her mark.

At the World Athletics Indoor Championships in Nanjing, China, Houlihan blazed through the 3,000m, clinching silver with an impressive 8:38.26 finish. This performance sends a clear message: Houlihan is back, and she's here to dominate.

In February 2025, Shelby won the indoor 3,000 meters at the Razorback Invitational in Arkansas with a time of 8:31.56. She also finished second in the 3,000 meters at the U.S. trials, qualifying her for the World Indoor Championships.

Shelby is a 13x US National Champion, a 2016 Olympian, and the outdoor American Record Holder in the 1500m, where she ran that in the 2019 World Championships in Doha, placing fourth. She is also a World-Record Holder in the Women's4x1500m. She holds PRs of 1:59.92 (800m), 3:54.99 (1500m), and 14:23.92 in the 5k.

In college, she was the first student at Arizona State University to win a national individual title in the outdoor 1,500. Shelby was a 12-time NCAA Division I All-American, the second most in Arizona State history, and an NCAA Track champion.

In today's conversation, Shelby takes me through each of her 2025 races, how she's been training, inside the progress of getting a sponsor, her mindset going into the outdoor season and the rest of her career, her silver medal at Worlds, and so much more.

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Olympic middle-distance star and Massachusetts native Heather MacLean makes her debut on the show, ready to break down her latest success on the track.

Heather, a Tokyo 2021 Olympic runner, started 2025 with a bang–winning the mile race at the Indoor Grand Prix in Boston in February, smashing a 4:23.32 while setting a meet record.

Later that month, Heather ran at the Last Chance National Qualifier at BU, running a dazzling 4:17.01 mile, a new record for her. This makes her the fourth-fastest women indoor mile runner ever.

Heather followed all of that up with a 1500m appearance at the World Athletics Indoor Championships in Nanjing, where she finished seventh with a time of 4:04.45.

Heather’s resume is sparkling to say the least: she came in third in the 2020 Trials to earn her spot in the 1,500m in Tokyo; she was a 2022 US Indoor 1,500m champion and 1,500m World Finalist; and has PRs of 3:58.3 in the outdoor 1,500m and 1:58.7 in the 800m.

Heather, who is now a member of the New Balance Boston team run by coach Mark Coogan, grew up in Peabody, Massachusetts and ran for the University of Massachusetts. She holds the 800m, 1,000m, 1,500m women’s records at the school, and became the first woman from UMass to earn NCAA D-1 All-American honors in cross country in 2017.

In today’s conversation, Heather walks me through her recent successful indoor season, how her self-awareness and self-belief have propelled her forward, what she wants to accomplish in the years to come, inside her training, and much more.

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Fresh off his thrilling victory in Virginia, brand-new NCAA Mile Champion Abel Teffra joins the show today to break down his epic performance.

Abel, currently a graduate student at Georgetown, set an NCAA meet record with his 3:53.60 mile at the 2025 Indoor Championships, becoming the second Hoya to win the event in program history. Abel secured the win with a decisive and exciting move to overtake the stellar Nathan Green on the home straight of the final lap.

Abel has been slowly and methodically moving his way up the rankings: in cross country alone he has improved from 250th to 65th on the National Championship scene.

During the 2023-24 season Abel won the Big East Indoor mile and was a member of the winning 4x800m relay team during that season. He finished fifth in the mile at the NCAA Indoor Championships last March with a 4:02.57.

His breakout came this year on February 8 when he ran 3:37.70 in the 1500m and 3:52.44 in the mile at BU. His big NCAA title should come as no surprise to those following the sport.

Abel attended Central High (East Campus) in Fresno California, where he ran PRs of 4:14.80 in the 1600m and 9:32.25 in the 3200m.

In today’s conversation, Abel takes me through insights from his first-ever NCAA Championship win, what went into this win, his relationship with his coach and teammates, his ambitions for the future, and so much more.

If you're curious of the journey to win an NCAA title, this one is for you.

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Josette Norris Andrews joins the show after setting an incredible new 2025 world standard in the 5,000m at the BU Last Chance meet, clocking a speedy 14:44.80. (Josette's personal best in the 5,000m is an even-faster 14:43.36.)

Josette is healthy and feeling like herself again, and it showed with a massive personal best at the Millrose Games in February when she ran a PR of 8:29.77 in the 3,000m.

Josette competed for Team USA in both the 2022 and 2024 World Indoor Championships. She was also a member of the 2023 World Indoor team in the 3,000m, but unfortunately injured herself shortly after, which took her out for most of the spring 2024 season.

In her two appearances of that year she came in second at the USATF Indoor Champs with a 3,000m time of 9:03.10; she then competed in the Olympic Trials in the 5,000m and came in 11th with a time of 15:26.25.

Josette, who is a member of the On Athletics Club out of Boulder Colorado, has additional PRs of 3:59 in the 1,500m and 4:20 in the mile.

Collegiately, Josette competed for UNC and Georgetown; one of her many highlights includes a 2019 fourth place finish in the 5,000m in the Division 1 Outdoor Championships.

In today's conversation, Josette takes me through her recent improvements as a professional runner, things she's learning, her time at the OAC, her goals for the future, her training routines, and much more!

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After an unforgettable 2024-25 indoor season, North Carolina coaching legend Chris Miltenberg is back on the podcast and ready to dish on the recent performances from his Tar Heel stars. Coach Milt has overseen the development of standout athletes Ethan Strand and Parker Wolfe, in addition to female mid-distance star Makayla Paige. Makayla and Ethan both are coming off NCAA Indoor titles— the former in the 800m with a time of 2:00.39; the latter with a 7:52.03 in the 3,000m in an incredibly fierce collegiate field. This run has been happening since the 2023-24 cross country and track and field seasons, where Coach Milt and the Tar Heels landed in the Top 10 at the NCAA Championships, while also claiming 6th place in cross country and 5th place in outdoor track and field. The Tar Heels also won their first ACC Cross Country Championship since 1985 and their first ACC Indoor Championship since 1996 that year. Coach Milt led Parker Wolfe to winning North Carolina's first-ever 5,000m National Championship at the 2024 NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championships. Wolfe has won five ACC championships under Coach Miltenberg and set five school records, while also becoming the Tar Heel's first runner in history to be named to The Bowerman Award Watchlist.Whether it’s coaching Strand, Wolfe or Paige—or leading an impressive array of talent, Coach Milt has cemented himself as a transformative force in the world of track and field, while also mentoring and leading his many successful athletes. He has created an enduring legacy as one of the sport's most exceptional and influential coaches, and seems poised to add to it in the years to come. In today’s conversation, Coach Milt takes me through exclusive insights from the 2025 indoor season, how he balances the wins with not getting complacent, his thoughts heading into the outdoor season, what Makayla's win means for the women's program if he'll ever coach pros, and so much more. Tap into the Coach Chris Miltenberg Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W N O T E S-BUY MERCH BEFORE IT’S GONE: https://shop.therunningeffect.run-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz

Mid-distance star Will Sumner is back on the show after smashing the Millrose Games 600m record in February, clocking an impressive 1:14.04The former Georgia Bulldog, who attended Woodstock High School in Georgia, comes from a lineage of stand-out runners. Will's parents, Brad and Tosha, both ran collegiately in the 1990s–Brad at Villanova and Tosha at Georgia. Will's sister, Brynne, has run for Villanova and Clemson and specializes in the 800m and 1500m. In high school, Will ran the (current) fourth-fastest outdoor 800m with a time of 1:46.53. He was named Gatorade Georgia Track and Field Player of the Year in 2021. He has since lowered that to an eye-popping 1:44.26 in 2023 when he won the NCAA Championships in June of that year as a freshman. Will then went on to compete in the stacked 800m field at the 2023 USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships in Oregon and finished fifth with a time of 1:47.41.Will has a gold medal to his name, competing as part of the winning 4x400m team at the 2023 U23 NACAC Championships in Costa Rica. After an accomplished year with UGA, Will decided to turn pro in 2023, signing with Adidas. Will has current PRs ofWhile the USA 800m scene is chock full of all-time greats, Will is primed to be in the mix for years to come.Will's career PRs include 21.55 in the 200m, 45.78 in the 400m, 1:14.04 in the 600m and 1:44.26 in the 800m.In today's conversation, Will takes me through his setbacks and challenges in 2024, insights from them, how to overcome your own challenges, what his training is looking like these days, his goals for 2025, and his Hot Wheels collection. Tap into the Will Sumner Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word "PODCAST" below and I'll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!

Returning to the show today is the incomparable and inspirational, Kallup McCoy.

Kallup wears many hats, including running coach, personal trainer, marathoner, Iron Man, and founder of RezHOPE, a nonprofit that supports individuals in recovery. His goal is to help those struggling with mental health and recovery-related issues.

Kallup infamously battled drug addiction from the age of 11, using drugs such as meth and heroin, overdosing six times and spending time in prison. But the comeback is always greater than the setback, and he has since created unmistakable joy and inspiration through his work.

A short documentary, titled ⁠Runner’s High⁠⁠,⁠ debuted in 2024 and documented Kallup’s ⁠14-year struggle and rebound from addiction. ⁠Kallup has jam packed a lifetime’s worth of adventure into his post-addiction years, which was highlighted by his traverse of the Trail of Tears, a 1,200 mile journey in the southeastern part of the US.

Kallup has also run the Boston Marathon twice, multiple 50 milers, a 100 miler, and a last-man-standing ultra race. Currently, Kallup is eyeing his biggest adventure to date–a run across the United States to help raise funds for his nonprofit.

In today’s conversation, Kallup takes me through his plans to run across America, how he's trained for it, the adversity he's faced, the lessons he's learned, and so much more.

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Elite distance runner and former Oklahoma State star Taylor Roe joins the show fresh off her scorching 1:07:22 half-marathon victory at the USATF Half-Marathon Championships on March 2.

Now a professional runner for PUMA and a member of the PUMA Elite Running Team, Taylor punched her ticket to represent Team USA at the World Running Championships.

Taylor is known throughout the running community for her impressive performance at the 2024 Indoor Track Championships, where she came in second to Parker Valby in the 5,000m, notching an impressive 15:15.01.

Taylor attended Lake Stevens High School in Washington, where she was named Gatorade Washington Women’s Track and Field Athlete of the Year in 2017.

During her time at OSU, she also won the women’s 3,000m title indoors in 2022, and finished third in the 10,000m in June of 2024 during outdoor season. She ended 2024 with a stellar performance at the Eagle Elite Invitational in Boston, running a 15:12.71 in the 5,000 meters. This race not only secured her the fourth-fastest indoor 5K time in NCAA history but also shattered the previous school record.

Although Taylor has PRs of 4:13.99 in the 1,500m, 4:33.56 in the mile, 8:51.60 in the 3,000 and 32:17.45 in the 10,000m, she has aspirations of getting those times down this summer–and there is no evidence that we should doubt her.

In today’s conversation, Taylor takes me through her most recent win at the USATF Half Championships, her journey as a pro, her years in the NCAA and how she progressed so well, what it's like being surrounded by excellence every day, what she wants to accomplish in the coming years, and much more.

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