Dark Dreams
A Legendary FBI Profiler Examines Homicide and the Criminal Mind
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The Evil That Men Do introduced listeners to the lifework and the techniques of FBI profiler Roy Hazelwood. Now, in Dark Dreams, Hazelwood - writing with best-selling author Stephen G. Michaud - brings us deep into the minds of his prey, the world's most dangerous sexual criminals, and reveals the extent to which these individuals permeate our society.
Profiler Roy Hazelwood is one of the world's leading experts on the strangest and most dangerous of all aberrant offenders - the sexual criminal. In Dark Dreams he reveals the twisted motives and thinking that go into the most reprehensible crimes. He also catalogs the innovative and remarkably effective techniques - investigative approaches that he helped pioneer at the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit - that allow law enforcement agents to construct psychological profiles of the offenders who commit these crimes.
Hazelwood has helped track down some of the most violent and well-known criminals in modern history; in Dark Dreams he takes listeners into his world - a sinister world inhabited by scores of dangerous offenders for every Roy Hazelwood who would put them behind bars.
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- The True Story of a TV Dating Show, a Violent Sociopath, and a Series of Brutal Murders
- By: Stella Sands
- Narrated by: Charles Constant
- Length: 9 hrs and 48 mins
- Unabridged
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In 1978, Rodney Alcala was a contestant on the The Dating Game, one of America's most popular television shows at the time. Handsome, successful, and romantic, he was embraced by the audience - and chosen as the winner by the beautiful bachelorette. To viewers across the country, Rodney seemed like the answer to every woman's dreams. Until they learned the truth about his once and future crimes.
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Like listening to a news report
- By E.J. in Pa. on 09-18-18
By: Stella Sands
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My Life Among the Serial Killers
- Inside the Minds of the World's Most Notorious Murderers
- By: Helen Morrison M.D., Harold Goldberg
- Narrated by: Helen Morrison
- Length: 5 hrs and 54 mins
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Dr. Helen Morrison has profiled more than 80 serial killers around the world. What she has learned about them will shatter every assumption you've ever had about the most notorious killers known to man.
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Boring reader,boring writing
- By P. Minor on 02-03-08
By: Helen Morrison M.D., and others
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The Anatomy of Motive
- The FBI's Legendary Mindhunter Explores the Key to Understanding and Catching Violent Criminals
- By: John Douglas, Mark Olshaker
- Narrated by: Joe Barrett
- Length: 11 hrs and 36 mins
- Unabridged
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The Anatomy of Motive offers a dramatic, insightful look at the development and evolution of the criminal mind. The famed former chief of the FBI's Investigative Support Unit, John Douglas was the pioneer of modern behavioral profiling of serial criminals. Working again with acclaimed novelist, journalist, and filmmaker Mark Olshaker, and using cases from his own fabled career as examples, Douglas takes us further than ever before into the dark corners of the minds of arsonists, hijackers, bombers, poisoners, serial killers, and mass murderers.
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Smuckers jelly narration. Still good.
- By Thad Ames on 11-07-17
By: John Douglas, and others
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Dead and Buried
- By: Corey Mitchell
- Narrated by: Steven Jay Cohen
- Length: 11 hrs and 53 mins
- Unabridged
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Rachel Newhouse disappeared on the night of November 12, 1998. Only months later, in the same town, Aundria Crawford lost her life in an act of unimaginable violence. As authorities worked to find clues, parole officer David Zaragoza paid a routine visit to one of his charges - Rex Allan Krebs, a violent serial rapist who'd served only 10 years of a 20-year sentence. After sending Krebs back to jail for violating his parole, Zaragoza found a key chain belonging to one of the victims. An intensive search led to the gruesome discovery of buried remains near Krebs' secluded cabin.
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Well Written!
- By txammug on 09-10-18
By: Corey Mitchell
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The Big Book of Serial Killers
- An Encyclopedia of Serial Killers - 150 Serial Killer Files of the World's Worst Murderers
- By: Jack Rosewood, Rebecca Lo
- Narrated by: Kevin Kollins
- Length: 17 hrs and 38 mins
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There is little more terrifying than those who hunt, stalk, and snatch their prey under the cloak of darkness. These hunters search not for animals, but for the touch, taste, and empowerment of human flesh. They are cannibals, vampires, and monsters, and they walk among us. These serial killers are not mythical beasts with horns and shaggy hair. They are people living among society, going about their day-to-day activities until nightfall. They are the Dennis Rader's, the fathers, husbands, church-going members of the community.
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GREAT FOR TRUE CRIME DEVOTÉES, BUT....
- By The Louligan on 10-31-17
By: Jack Rosewood, and others
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Kiss Me, Kill Me
- And Other True Cases (Ann Rule's Crime Files, Book 9)
- By: Ann Rule
- Narrated by: Laural Merlington
- Length: 11 hrs and 56 mins
- Unabridged
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America's #1 true-crime writer reveals how lovers become predators, how sex and lust can push ordinary people to desperate acts, and how investigators and forensics experts work to unravel the most entangled crimes of passion. Extracting behind-the-scenes details, Ann Rule makes these volatile relationships utterly real, and masterfully re-creates the ill-fated chains of events in cases like the ex-Marine and martial arts master who seduced vulnerable women and destroyed their lives, the killer whose calling card was a red rose, and more.
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Boring
- By Luv lots on 09-15-13
By: Ann Rule
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The Serial Killer Files
- The Who, What, Where, How, and Why of the World’s Most Terrifying Murderers
- By: Harold Schechter
- Narrated by: Charles Constant
- Length: 18 hrs and 17 mins
- Unabridged
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Hollywood's make-believe maniacs like Jason, Freddy, and Hannibal Lecter can't hold a candle to real-life monsters like John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and scores of others who have terrorized, tortured, and terminated their way across civilization throughout the ages. Now, from the much-acclaimed author of Deviant, Deranged, and Depraved, comes the ultimate resource on the serial killer phenomenon.
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Made me feel sick, yet I didn't want it to end
- By Neuron on 02-07-17
By: Harold Schechter
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Exposed
- The Secret Life of Jodi Arias
- By: Jane Velez-Mitchell
- Narrated by: Elizabeth White
- Length: 12 hrs and 37 mins
- Unabridged
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On June 9, 2008, the butchered body of Travis Alexander was found in his Mesa, Arizona, home. The grisly nature of his death made instant headlines: With 29 knife wounds, his throat slit, and a gunshot to the head, Travis was left to die. The prime suspect in the case was Alexander's ex-girlfriend, the attractive and soft-spoken Jodi Arias. Though Arias initially said that she was nowhere near the scene of crime, little about this case was as it seemed, and before long she had been caught lying to police. As the investigation progressed, her lies evolved multiple times before finally resting on an appalling claim: She had killed Travis in self-defense.
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Great Narrator, Untrustworthy Writer
- By MaxMiniTV on 04-15-16
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Most Evil
- Avenger, Zodiac, and the Further Serial Murders of Dr. George Hill Hodel
- By: Steve Hodel, Ralph Pezullo
- Narrated by: Malcolm Hillgartner
- Length: 7 hrs and 10 mins
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When veteran LAPD homicide detective Steve Hodel discovered that his own late father, Dr. George Hill Hodel, was the killer in the infamous Black Dahlia murder case, he wrote the best seller Black Dahlia Avenger, a book that convinced even the L.A. County Deputy District Attorney that George Hodel was responsible for Elizabeth Short's gruesome death.
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Pretty Good.
- By Lee Kirkland on 09-06-16
By: Steve Hodel, and others
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Deliver Us
- Three Decades of Murder and Redemption in the Infamous I-45/Texas Killing Fields
- By: Kathryn Casey
- Narrated by: Tanya Eby
- Length: 10 hrs and 29 mins
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Over a three-decade span, more than 20 women - many teenagers - died mysteriously in the small towns bordering Interstate 45, a 50-mile stretch of highway running from Houston to Galveston. The victims were strangled, shot, or savagely beaten.
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Creepy creepy creepy
- By 6catz on 04-10-15
By: Kathryn Casey
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Fatal Friends, Deadly Neighbors: And Other True Cases
- Ann Rule's Crime Files, Book 16
- By: Ann Rule
- Narrated by: Laural Merlington
- Length: 13 hrs and 20 mins
- Unabridged
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It’s a chilling reality that homicide investigators know all too well: The last face most murder victims see is not that of a stranger, but of someone familiar. Whether only an acquaintance or a trusted intimate, such killers share a common trait that triggers the downward spiral toward death for someone close to them: They are masters at hiding who they really are. Their clever masks let them appear safe, kind, and truthful. They are anything but - and almost no one can detect the murderous impulses buried deep in their psyches.
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The Evil People Do
- By Dianne on 02-14-13
By: Ann Rule
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Helter Skelter
- The True Story of the Manson Murders
- By: Vincent Bugliosi, Curt Gentry
- Narrated by: Scott Brick
- Length: 26 hrs and 29 mins
- Unabridged
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Prosecuting attorney in the Manson trial Vincent Bugliosi held a unique insider's position in one of the most baffling and horrifying cases of the 20th century: the cold-blooded Tate-LaBianca murders carried out by Charles Manson and four of his followers. What motivated Manson in his seemingly mindless selection of victims, and what was his hold over the young women who obeyed his orders? Now available for the first time in unabridged audio, the gripping story of this famous and haunting crime is brought to life by acclaimed narrator Scott Brick.
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Everything I remembered about the case was wrong..
- By karen on 06-22-12
By: Vincent Bugliosi, and others
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The Killing Kind
- By: M. William Phelps
- Narrated by: J. Charles
- Length: 12 hrs and 25 mins
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The lush, green hills that mark the border of North and South Carolina are home to a close-knit community. When the savaged remains of high-spirited Heather Catterton and sweet-natured Randi Saldana were found and a local man was linked to their murders, residents were forced to face an evil in their midst. The killer was one of their own….
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Manipulated to Death
- By Pulplife on 06-29-14
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Devil’s Knot
- The True Story of the West Memphis Three
- By: Mara Leveritt
- Narrated by: Lorna Raver
- Length: 15 hrs and 47 mins
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“Free the West Memphis Three!” - maybe you’ve heard the phrase, but do you know why their story is so alarming? Do you know the facts? The guilty verdicts handed out to three Arkansas teens in a horrific capital murder case were popular in their home state - even upheld on appeal. But after two HBO documentaries called attention to the witch-hunt atmosphere at the trials, artists and other supporters raised concerns about the accompanying lack of evidence.
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Surprisingly disappointing
- By La Becket on 12-05-12
By: Mara Leveritt
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- A True Story of Sadistic Muder in the Heartland
- By: John Glatt
- Narrated by: Shaun Grindell
- Length: 6 hrs and 23 mins
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John Edward Robinson was a 56-year-old grandfather from rural Kansas. An entrepreneur and Eagle Scout, he was even honored as "Man of the Year" at a Kansas City charity. To some of the women he met on the internet, he was known as Slavemaster - a sexual deviate with a taste for sadomasochistic rituals of extreme domination and torture...even killing.
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Always Love Glatt - Always a Horrible Narrator
- By C. Duggan on 08-07-24
By: John Glatt
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The Education of a Coroner
- Lessons in Investigating Death
- By: John Bateson
- Narrated by: Kirby Heyborne
- Length: 11 hrs and 24 mins
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Ken Holmes worked in the Marin County Coroner's Office for 36 years, starting as a death investigator and ending as the three-term, elected coroner. As he grew into the job - which is different from what is depicted on television - Holmes learned a variety of skills, from finding hidden clues at death scenes, interviewing witnesses effectively, managing bystanders and reporters, preparing testimony for court, to notifying families of a death with sensitivity and compassion.
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Excellent read. What an Education.
- By Amazon Customer on 11-10-17
By: John Bateson
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- TLo
- 06-16-21
Another Great Book
If you liked the other FBI Profiler books by Douglas, you'll like this one. Very informative.
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- Southern Gentleman
- 12-20-22
Better than most
I’ve listened to a LOT of true-crime audiobooks, and this one is more interesting than average.
The narration is really good, except for his horrendous attempts at imitating the Southern accent, which he apparently learned by watching Gomer Pyle.
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- S. Fix
- 06-09-19
very informational and keeps your attention
Worth the credit. some intriguing cases in this book. narrator is great. well written. I have listened twice already.
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5 people found this helpful
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- Anonymous User
- 10-26-23
Loved it
This is the first book i’ve completed head to tail in about 15 years, riveting!
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- Christine Hickman
- 05-19-21
My review would be a five but-
The narrator sounds like an imitation of a comedy skit that makes fun of a robot’s voice. I found it distracting at times. This narrative is deeply-interesting as in my career I was a mental health professional. I also have a degree in history, so some of the assertions about serial and sexual murder being a “new” phenomenon is disturbing. I would like the author to consider some of the sociological aspects he discusses in his book- poverty, abuse, and pain seeking. While it is true body piercing has not long been a norm in western society it has been common for ages in other cultures. Ritualistic cutting, piercing, tattooing, and even being scarred by the bites of poisonous ants are things people do as rites of passage or for decorative purposes. I think the idea of this rather recent craze in our culture for such body modification is a good platform to rest your arguments. Also, the use and existence of dildoes is not new to humankind. They have been found in ritual burials, and other archeological digs across the world. I am not necessarily advocating such use, but i am always hesitant as a student of history when people label things as “new”. It’s not. I also want to suggest that in the past such violence was not as easy to detect. I sincerely doubt it is new. Communication was poor, people could maintain relative anonymity when traveling around, and there were barely and organized police forces until the nineteenth century.
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- missy
- 08-20-20
Disturbing
Although this book was at times disturbing, it was also informative. A lot of techniques that are used are explained and or mentioned along with examples. The year and how things were looked at, or treated is talked about to give better context to the crimes discussed. Some parts are quite explicit, so be ready for that. All in all I am glad I choose this book and I’m certain I will listen to it again sometime in the future. I would recommend it to anyone wanting more context about investigations, and more details of certain crimes.
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- M. D. Corley
- 06-03-23
Dark stories
Fascinating and creepy! Interesting details of various types of crimes and people who commit them.
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- Thomas Leinbach
- 02-09-21
Must Have
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- Anonymous User
- 04-08-24
The behavior of the unsub
I dislike the part about rapes, but do understand the importance of it for profiling.
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- Iván
- 09-15-24
True Crime Storytelling
Conveying information through cases, files, and the development of criminal profiling throughout the ages. Does a great job of breaking down the distinctions found in run of the mill criminals and the truly devious ones. Great reader just as well, would def recommend, but if your a fan of true crime it's not exactly a lost haven of new information. Def entertaining tho
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