Episodes

  • S7E9: Using AI Agents and Models Effectively feat. Derek Egan
    Jan 9 2025
    We continue our series of conversations about Artificial Intelligence and how it's changing the world around us. In today’s episode, Frances talks to an AI engineer at Google about the ins and outs of the newest crop of AI models and agents.Joining the show to give an insider’s perspective is Derek Egan. Derek is on the Vertex AI team at Google Cloud where he works on helping developers build generative AI-powered agents for their own applications. Derek is also a graduate of the David Eccles School of Business with a degree in Operations Management. David and Frances discuss the difference between models and agents, and why humans are still very much integral to the process. They address the strengths and weaknesses of these types of systems and the ways in which they might be used by organizations most effectively to help them work more efficiently. Derek speaks to the realistic worries of some AI critics and gives some of his own real-life examples of how AI agents help streamline his work life and personal life. Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University fm.Show Links:Derek Egan | LinkedInVertex AI | Google CloudMaster of Science in Business Analytics - The David Eccles School of BusinessDavid Eccles School of Business (@ubusiness) • InstagramEccles Alumni Network (@ecclesalumni) • Instagram Eccles Experience MagazineEpisode Quotes:Google Cloud invests in explainable AI and safety filters to build AI that benefits everyone[09:06] How can we build AI that's beneficial for all is a critical question. At Google Cloud, we take that really seriously for responsible AI. It all starts with a set of AI principles that translates into multiple things in practice as we build these products and up front and not as an afterthought. A few examples of that are ethical reviews. So, internally, there are dedicated teams that essentially conduct ethical analysis and risk assessments for any new product that's going to launch and their job is to identify potential biases. [09:57] We haven't been perfect here and no one has been perfect here because it's a process and we're all learning. And that's also why, as we gain learnings and learn how to interact with these models and how to control the types of responses, we're also building explainability into the models themselves. That's really important. AI will not take away your job but someone who uses it better might. 18:35 If I'm a student at the University of Utah right now in the David Eccles School of Business or an alumni, I would be pretty anxious about this, right? Like, hey, how does AI impact my job? What I would encourage people though, is to think about reframing that question. And the way I reframe it is I don't think AI is going to replace your job, and I don't think you're competing directly with AI for your job. I do think you're going to compete with other people who can competently use AI to do your job and that will lead to disruption. That will lead to a change in the way that works done, day in and day out. So, my guidance, my invitation would be to try it out, embrace AI and start using it. See how it can make you more productive. See how it can take the nitty gritty tasks off of your plate and help you to automate them on your behalf.Derek shares a developer's guide for building AI applications.32:39 If you are a developer and you want to build an application, my guidance would be to identify something that's fairly low hanging fruit, fairly simple, where you're going to get started. And where it's going to be an interaction between the person and the agent and not something that's going to go run autonomously and not have the right feedback loop. And then you can measure and get a sense for how helpful is that agent, and then iterate on it. And I'd encourage you to check out some of the use cases. We have like 185 customer use cases on a blog post published from Google Cloud. But there's a bunch of examples out there and there's a bunch of documentation that we offer as well to help people get started.
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    26 mins
  • S7E8: Human in the Middle: AI Insights feat. Jessica Ellett
    Dec 26 2024

    We continue our series of conversations about Artificial Intelligence and how it's changing the world around us. Today’s episode focuses on the use of AI in the financial sector and both it’s potential strengths and weaknesses.


    Joining the show to help us start making sense of it all is Jessica Ellett. Jessica is a senior manager and lead modeler at Cambridge Technology, a financial services technology startup. Jessica is also an MSBA graduate from the David Eccles School of Business.


    Jessica shares her insights on developing AI-operationalized applications for large banks, highlighting tools like loan processing applications, financial report generation, and predictive trade outcome models. Frances and Jessica cover the concept of 'human in the middle' AI and the importance of human involvement in AI processes. Jessica also touches on concerns around AI bias, data privacy, and the critical need for business-led AI projects. Jessica also looks forward to what she predicts the landscape of her industry could look like in five years.


    Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University fm.


    Show Links:
    • Jessica Ellett | LinkedIn
    • CTFSI - Cambridge Technology Financial Services Inc.
    • Master of Science in Business Analytics - The David Eccles School of Business
    • David Eccles School of Business (@ubusiness) • Instagram
    • Eccles Alumni Network (@ecclesalumni) • Instagram
    • Eccles Experience Magazine


    Episode Quotes:


    How the MSBA programme equipped Jessica to be a voice in the AI space


    [37:02]: When I first finished in 2018 with the MSBA program, I got multiple job offers afterwards when we moved here to Charlotte, North Carolina. And, often, it was kind of an undefined structure. Hey, what can you help us do? What can you help us know or ask? Help us do this in a better way, or help us ask the right questions. And so I think it's still young enough—I mean, the whole program, data science programs, MSBA programs—within the last 10 years, I would consider that a really young program. And so new talent coming out of those are going to be the thought leaders on how AI gets adopted and how these programs run at different companies. And think about that. So you come out of this program and you think, "Well, I don't know much. I just got this degree, or I don't have a lot of application." But people are willing to listen to you because you've had focused study on this topic more than they have, so for better or for worse, you're going to be a voice in that space.


    How AI works best with people by having the human in the middle


    [07:24]: Think of AI as the best assistant you've ever had, but you need the right systems or processes in place to interact with that assistant to get the most out of them, right? So, it's not just building or designing the perfect assistant. It's when am I going to use them? How am I going to use the output? How do I give it the right information to get out of it? What I want—all that interaction. That's human in the middle. You have to design that well to get the most out of it.


    Why do AI projects need to align with business goals?


    [41:18]: I'd say AI projects need to align with the business goals, not just tech advancements. You have a shiny new tool, and you want to use it but don't lose sight of what the business goal is. Using a shiny new tool could be expensive. If you suddenly have to build the whole machine that it fits with, that could get expensive. So, I'd say that transformation has to have a business-led approach because it has to align with the business goals. And if none of the business goals are ready or positioned to need AI—which is hard to believe—but it could be possible, then it doesn't fit in the plan or the goals.

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    32 mins
  • S7E7: Navigating the New AI Frontier feat. Mark Sunday
    Dec 12 2024
    Today we are starting our series of conversations about Artificial Intelligence and how it's changing the way we learn, work, and even play. AI is a hot topic with the potential to do a lot of good. But there are also a few pitfalls that we should all be aware of.Joining the show to help us start making sense of it all is Mark Sunday. Mark spent 20 years as the CIO at Oracle/Siebel, and prior to that role, he spent 10 years at Motorola. Retirement hasn't slowed him down one bit. He is still very engaged in the tech industry and currently serves on the boards of Vutility, Quantum Metric, Chassis, Kaltura, and 1440. He is also a member of the Eccles Advisory Board here at the David Eccles School of Business and was appointed by the Governor to Utah's STEM Action Center. He sits down with host Frances Johnson to dive into the evolution of AI technologies, the challenges of bias and discrimination in AI data, and the opportunities AI presents for enhancing human productivity. Emphasizing the importance of retraining and upskilling, this episode highlights the steps organizations and educational institutions must take to integrate AI into their curricula and work environments.Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University fm.Episode Quotes:Examining the risks of AI9:00 When I just type the word “Google,” it comes up with stuff that's relevant. Like, for me, I'm a big Michigan football fan, so Michigan football, AI, [and] a number of other topics. I like that it's showing me stuff, but I hate, hate that, based on what people have demonstrated they like, it's really limiting what information and news and opinions that people get to experience. So, I think it's created an incredible amount of divisiveness within our country. While data can buy a bias, but also using real data, and then just repeating patterns, whether it was hiring male engineers, whether it was suggesting that Black inmates are more likely to create repeat crimes or just creating a filter bubble where we're only exposed to opinions that support or reinforce opinions that we've had, I think is hugely problematic.How should individuals and institutions respond to the rise of AI?11:42 We've always faced this, whether it be computers or the internet just has to change. Yes, jobs are eliminated, should be eliminated. It was underemployment to have people pump your gas, and then, when it became legal in all states except for Oregon, until very recently to be able to pump your own gas, I look at that as underemployment when people aren't reaching the potential of the contribution that they can do. So, what's going to happen is roles are just going to have to change. We need to be aware of that. As individuals, we need to take personal responsibility. But also, as organizations, we need to invest in retraining because there are a lot of new jobs that are created—AI trainers, data scientists, ethics officers. But we're going to have to upskill and adapt.Despite the risks, Mark urges students to embrace AI’s game-changing potential.21:11 We need for our students to be the very, very best at leveraging this technology. It's game-changing. It's as if calculators came out, and when I went to school, nope, we're going to have to select the slide rules, or computers came out and it's going to do the work for all of us, or the web came out and now people can do Google searches. This is far, far bigger. In fact, when we are recruiting for our new dean for the business school, I’m convinced that higher ed will change more in the next 10 years than it has in the previous 100. And AI is going to be the reason for that. And so, as we think of what we're going to be as a business school, as we think of what we're going to be as a university, we need to be prepared for this huge, huge transformation.Show Links:Mark Sunday | LinkedInOracleKahlert Initiative on Technology - The David Eccles School of BusinessSTEM Action CenterDavid Eccles School of Business (@ubusiness) • InstagramEccles Alumni Network (@ecclesalumni) • Instagram Eccles Experience Magazine
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    30 mins
  • S7E6: Mental Healthcare: From Stigma to Solutions with Ross Van Vranken
    Nov 28 2024

    We are wrapping up our series of conversations with the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute's 2024 Informed Decision Makers. Every year, the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute at the David Eccles School of Business recognizes individuals and entities that contribute to the prosperity of our community here in Utah, often performing important work behind the scenes and without much recognition.


    Joining us today is Ross Van Vranken, the former executive director for the Huntsman Mental Health Institute, which is part of the University of Utah Health System. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute is a multi-million dollar enterprise supporting a behavioral health care system anchored by a 170-bed acute psychiatric and substance use hospital.


    In this episode, host Frances Johnson sits down with Ross to discuss the evolution of the mental health conversation, the importance of treating mental health with the same urgency as physical health, and the critical issue of access to mental health care. Ross shares his insights on the economic implications of untreated mental health issues, the impact of the social environment on mental wellness, and the transformative vision of the Huntsman Mental Health Institute.


    Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University fm.


    Episode Quotes:


    On defining what mental health is


    [05:12] When you're talking about mental health, you're talking about well-being, that sense of well-being. I'm okay. And I know how to navigate the problems in my life, and I get through it, and I have an adequate amount of resiliency and reserve to take on struggles. I ask for support when I need it. I'm willing to talk about what's going on with myself. And that’s really what it is, just that sense of well-being. That's what mental health is where you're able to engage in your life in a way that represents who you are and what you want to do.


    The transformative vision of the Huntsman Mental Health Institute.


    John Huntsman's legacy is council. The nine children looked around and they've had mental illness in the family and substance use disorder in their family, and they wanted to make this their legacy. To actually change mental health on a national level across everything, including, uh, looking at policy reform on a federal level, payment reform, access to care, uh, best practice, specialty, personalized care, all those kinds of things. a big part of that, so what they're funding right now is this Stop Stigma campaign, which is a national campaign that's intended to go out the next 10 years.


    What contributes to the mental health crisis?


    [21:18] Mental health is the number 1 disability in the world now. And so part of what contributes to all that, as you know, is the whole social environment, particularly kids. How do you interact with your peers? How many people get bullied, isolated from the rest of the pack, don't feel like they belong early on and how that carries through. So, creating an inclusive environment where people just get accepted for who they are, and they can be a part of the overall social contract without having to be the popular kids or whatever, you can be whoever you are and fit into that is a critical piece. And of course, we all know that there are these different benchmarks that really require a lot of going from elementary to junior high, junior high to high school, high school to college. It's a critical thing. The more you can do to create that kind of wellness environment and inclusivity of everyone, the better, because we're social animals and what contributes as much to mental illness as anything is isolation.


    Show Links:
    • Huntsman Mental Health Institute
    • Ross Van Vranken | University of Utah Health
    • Ross Van Vranken | LinkedIn
    • David Eccles School of Business (@ubusiness) • Instagram
    • Eccles Alumni Network (@ecclesalumni) • Instagram
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    33 mins
  • S7E5: A Legacy of Healing: Inside Seager Memorial Clinic's Mission w/ Jerika Mays & Marc Johnson
    Nov 14 2024
    Today we are continuing our series of conversations with the Kempsey Gardner Policy Institute's 2024 Informed Decision Makers. These are individuals and entities that are recognized for their unique contributions to the prosperity of our community here in Utah.Here today to get a little bit of the fanfare they deserve are Jerika Mays and Dr. Mark Johnson from the Seager Memorial Clinic. The clinic's mission is to provide underserved populations and individuals with easy-to-access, nonjudgmental, medical, dental, vision, and mental health care. Everything the clinic does is 100 percent free to everyone seeking care. Jerika serves as the Executive Director of the Seager Memorial Clinic and Dr. Mark Johnson is Vice Chair of the Clinic's Board as well as the Clinic's Volunteer Medical Director. Listen in as Jerika, Dr. Johnson and Frances discuss the vital role of the Seager Memorial Clinic in providing free, nonjudgmental healthcare to underserved populations in Utah. Our guests highlight the significant barriers to healthcare access and how the clinic addresses these challenges. We’ll also explore the clinic's volunteer-driven model, the economic and social impact of healthcare access, and plans for expansion. Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University fm.Episode Quotes:What it means to receive nonjudgmental healthcare according to Dr. Mark Johnson[Dr. Marc Johnson]: 19:05: We don't screen patients at the front door or the front desk to try to determine what their financial situation is. So, we don't ask, do they have insurance, do they have Medicare, do they have Medicaid? What's their demographics? We don't ask for W-2 forms. We don't ask for citizenship documentation, et cetera. So, in that regard, we just take all comers. Patients don't have to worry that they have to produce a lot of documents, you know, to prove that they are in need.I guess the second part would be the volunteers not judging the patients for, you know, why they are there. There are people there for lots of different reasons. We do see a fair number of patients who have addictions. We see a fair number of patients who are homeless. We see some patients who have just come out of prison. We see patients who speak different languages, come from different backgrounds, some have insurance, some don't. And I think the culture is that we accept them for who they are and withhold judgment. So, I think that helps patients feel welcome because I think, in a lot of cases, those circumstances, you know, they may feel judged before even being seen.Making healthcare more accessible to the community[Jerika Mays] 14:02: I think it's easy for patients who don't have insurance to put off their health. You know, they might need to be seen, but they put it off because they don't have a point of access or they aren't in a place financially to afford it.Even if they do have insurance, maybe the copay is a barrier, right? So, patients might often put it off until it becomes an emergency and they might go to the emergency room. And at that time, it can be a real financial challenge because that can be a big cost for the patient and their family. So, I think by making it more accessible, they feel more comfortable coming to us in those early stages and receiving care before it becomes an emergency.Plans for expansion: Creating more space to serve more people[Jerika Mays] 27:27: Something we're very excited about is we're in the process of transforming Ogden's former Family History Library on 24th Street into our new home, where we'll have much more space to expand our services, expand our hours, and see more people in the community. The space is over 7,000 square feet. And we'll include nine exam rooms, a dental suite with three dental operatories, a Class A charitable pharmacy, a room where we can start offering group classes like diabetes management or mental health wellness. We'll have three spaces dedicated for mental health therapy in the future. So, I feel like this space is really going to be a game-changer for our community.Show Links:Seager Memorial ClinicBoard and Leadership - seagerclinic.orgJerika Mays | LinkedInMillion-Dollar Murray | The New YorkerDavid Eccles School of Business (@ubusiness) • InstagramEccles Alumni Network (@ecclesalumni) • Instagram
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    37 mins
  • S7E4: Economic Empowerment through Community w/ Michelle Crawford
    Oct 31 2024

    The mission at Circles Salt Lake is “building community to end poverty in Salt Lake County.” They do this by building bridges of friendship and community that support individuals and families on their journey from surviving to thriving, ensuring that everyone they work with has enough money, meaning, and friends to thrive.


    Leading this critical mission is Executive Director Michelle Crawford. Starting out as a volunteer in 2017 and working her way up to run the organization, Michelle is a passionate and kind member of our community, working fiercely to help those with less.


    In this episode of the Eccles Business Buzz host, Frances Johnson sits down with Michelle to discuss eradicating poverty through community building, intentional friendships, personal transformation, and systemic change.


    Michelle shares insights on the challenges faced by people living in poverty, the role of social capital, and the importance of community support in achieving financial independence. The episode also highlights the significance of volunteers, the impact of economic instability on the community, and practical steps for fostering economic empowerment.


    Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University FM.


    Show Links:
    • Michelle Crawford | LinkedIn
    • Circles Salt Lake
    • Team - Circles Salt Lake
    • Utah Department of Workforce Services


    Episode Quotes:


    Being in the Circles program empowers participants to dream and forge their own path.


    07:35: Once somebody starts their Circles journey, they're going to start with the 12-week training. So, we do this as an introduction to what Circles is and to provide some training around just the understanding of poverty. So, they may be living it, but there's a lot that comes along with that, the social norms of the different income classes. And then they learn the things that we all want to learn, right? Budgeting, goal setting. We teach them to dream and pursue those dreams. And one of our sections of that 12-week training is dream boards. So, we're not here to tell them what their life looks like on the other side of poverty or how to get there. We're here to empower them, to support them, to say, what do you think life looks like for you on the other side of poverty? And then we build that social capital and the resources and the support around them to help them pursue those goals that they've set.


    Persistent poverty can perpetuate cycles of intergenerational poverty.


    18:37: When part of our population struggles with persistent financial instability, you can imagine the cost is significant. Financial instability leads to increased demand for those social services, higher health care costs, and even reduced productivity. All of these things strain our public resources.When individuals are unable to fully participate in the economy, it stifles our local business growth and reduces the overall economic activity. Persistent poverty can also perpetuate these cycles of intergenerational poverty, leading the long-term economic challenges for our community. And so, another area that Utah is unique, I mean, in a lot of great ways, and one of those is that our state's poverty level is lower than the average national poverty level. But we have a pretty unique high number of intergenerational poverty, which means this cycle that continues. So, for us, we know that investing in financial stability for all members of our community not only improves individual lives, but it strengthens the overall economic health and vitality of the community.


    Hope and dignity are deeply intertwined with financial independence.


    26:38: When individuals have hope, they believe in the possibility of a better future, and then they're motivated to take the steps towards achieving financial independence.The sense of hope can inspire perseverance, innovation, and then the willingness to seize those opportunities that lead to greater financial stability. Dignity, on the other hand, comes from the ability to support oneself and one's family without relying on others. So, financial independence then restores this sense of control and self-worth, allowing individuals to participate fully in society with confidence.

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    36 mins
  • S7E3: Pedaling Towards Change w/ Donna Matturro McAleer
    Oct 17 2024

    So much of our lives are spent in a car. Whether it’s driving to work, scooting around kids to friends houses and other activities, or running to the post office, we really are stuck in a car-centric culture. But today’s guest is trying to get us out of that rut, one bicycle at a time.


    Donna Matturro McAleer is the Executive Director of Bicycle Collective, a group of non-profit bike shops refurbishing donated bicycles and putting them into the hands of those in need, focusing on children, Newly resettled refugees, immigrants, individuals experiencing homelessness or housing insecurity and more.


    In this episode, they explore the broader economic, environmental, and community impacts of making bicycles accessible as a form of sustainable transportation. We’ll also hear about the Bicycle Collective's programs, sustainable business model, and pandemic growth.


    Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University FM.


    Show Links:
    • Donna Matturro McAleer | LinkedIn
    • Donna Matturro McAleer | 2024 CEO of the Year - Utah Business
    • Bicycle Collective
    • David Eccles School of Business (@ubusiness) • Instagram
    • Eccles Alumni Network (@ecclesalumni) • Instagram


    Episode Quotes:


    In a car-centric country where transportation poses significant barriers to economic stability, bicycles emerge as a transformative tool.


    [03:32] If you think about it, Frances, In Utah, in our country, we are a car-centric country. But if you think about transportation, transportation is a formidable barrier to economic mobility. Access to nearly everything associated with economic progress and upward mobility, whether that's getting to school, getting to a job, getting to a job interview, fairly priced goods and services, medical services, healthcare, depends on the ability to get from one place to another efficiently and in an affordable manner. And that's where a bike can really be a transformative tool, especially in a place like Salt Lake City and throughout this state where so many resources may be concentrated within a few miles.


    Choosing a bike over a car can cut your carbon footprint by 67% and transform communities


    [08:22] Choosing a bike over a car just once a day reduces the average person's carbon footprint from transportation admissions by 67%. So, that's just once a day. Think about if you use it as your primary form of transportation, a moderate increase in bicycling each year could save 6 to 14 million tons of carbon dioxide. So, there's huge, huge impacts that bicycling has on the individual, on the community, on the economy, and on the environment, all in a positive way. It's not a trade off of one or another. We get to experience all those things with biking.


    Bicycle Collective is a resource for everyone


    [20:16] Bicycle Collective is really for everyone. Whether you are a first-time cyclist or maybe you want to try a new discipline, but you want to get in at an affordable level. So, maybe you never tried mountain biking and you want to get a mountain bike or you want to start road riding or, hey, I've been road riding, I've been mountain biking, but I want to be a bike commuter. We are a great resource for cycling enthusiasts, first-timers.

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    37 mins
  • S7E2: Energy Innovation and Economic Development in Utah w/ Theresa Foxley
    Oct 3 2024

    Our guest today calls herself an “unabashed promoter of Utah,” and has the resume to back it up.


    Theresa Foxley is a Utah native, and has spent her career championing economic growth in Utah and serves her community through numerous boards and initiatives. For example, Teresa's commitment to business recruitment as the President and CEO of the Economic Development Corporation of Utah brought numerous corporations to the state, with an eye on the distribution of economic impact for the entire state, especially rural Utah.


    Theresa is currently Chief of Staff to rPlus Energies, a national leader in utility scale, renewable energy, and energy storage development.


    She chats with host Frances Johnson this episode all about Utah’s future in renewable energy, starting with the state's unique demographics, infrastructure, and economic strengths. Teresa shares insights on large-scale renewable projects, the balance between growth and environmental stewardship, and the promising intersection of renewable energy and economic development in rural Utah.

    Eccles Business Buzz is a production of the David Eccles School of Business and is produced by University FM.


    Show Links:
    • Theresa Foxley | LinkedIn
    • rPlus Energies on LinkedIn
    • rPlus Energies Website
    • David Eccles School of Business (@ubusiness) • Instagram
    • Eccles Alumni Network (@ecclesalumni) • Instagram

    Episode Quotes:


    How renewable energy bridges the gap between Utah's economic growth and preserving the quality of life


    [05:11] It is really important that we preserve these incredible assets that we have, these beautiful physical natural assets that we have as a state. I heard, over and over again, when I was leading the economic development organization, Economic Development Corporation EDC Utah, from employers that, gosh, I knew I would find a great local workforce in Utah, but I'm so pleasantly surprised at how easy it’s been for me to recruit people in from out of state. I see it myself here now, being on the leadership team of rPlus Energies and being involved in our recruitment, how enthusiastic people are about, either, relocating to Utah or how happy they are to be able to, now, have a job in renewable energy in the state of Utah to be able to stay here. We do have a number of team members who found their way to rPlus Energies via another state and who seem to, kind of, say, "I never thought I'd be in Utah, but now I never want to leave."


    While renewable energy may create fewer jobs than thermal power plants, it brings significant benefits to local communities.


    [Frances Johnson] [20:56]: In rural Utah, in particular, what is the economic impact of bringing these projects online?


    [Theresa Foxley]: It's pretty significant. The Green River Energy Center with an over $1 billion capital investment really means significant impact to local property tax revenue. And this is property tax revenue that can be utilized by the taxing entities, the county, the school district, et cetera, to invest in roads, libraries, schools. There's a very significant injection of talent. During the construction process, we'll have some 500 workers on site at peak for the Green River Energy Center. And though you're correct in that the generating facilities for renewable energy projects don't tend to have the same number of jobs attached to them as maybe a thermal power plant, there are a number of other ways that these projects do benefit local communities, again, through their construction, through local design, engineering, consulting work, law firms, others that are hired to help to go and help support and to put together the project financings and the construction of these projects.


    The future of renewable energy in Utah


    [27:54]: And I just see Utah continuing to lead on this. We have all of the ingredients to be successful leaders in this future energy space because of the abundance of energy resources that we've had, whether those have been resources that come from underground or above ground, like solar and wind. I see a really bright future for Utah and energy development here in the state.

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    30 mins