• S2 E16 AP: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway
    Oct 16 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts discuss Kaytlin Bailey, a multifaceted individual who has significantly influenced the podcasting, sex work, and activist communities. Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Milk Glass delve into Kaytlin's extensive contributions, including her critical feedback shaping the show's messaging that sex work is legitimate work. They also highlight her historical insights and her juxtaposition of personal experiences, such as her father's military service and her own sex work, to explore broader societal issues. The conversation underscores Kaytlin's impact on the hosts and the themes of their show, emphasizing the importance of recognizing sex work as valid and respectable.

    Additionally, the hosts discuss Kaytlin's dynamic career, which includes being a comedian, sex worker, historian, and boxer. They admire her ability to weave together various aspects of her life into a cohesive narrative that challenges societal norms and addresses issues like misogyny, PTSD, and legislative impacts on sex work. The episode is a tribute to Kaytlin's intelligence, resilience, and the transformative power of her work, encouraging listeners to appreciate the depth and complexity of her endeavors. The hosts' admiration for her as a "main character" in their lives reflects the profound influence she has had on them and their audience.

    In This Episode:

    00:02: Introduction to the After-Party Podcast

    00:23: Host and Co-Hosts Introductions

    00:42: Kaytlin Bailey's Impact on the Podcast

    01:44: Validating Sex Work as Legitimate

    03:38: Comedians' Intelligence and Timing

    04:21: Discussing Rap's Cognitive Demands

    05:22: Kaytlin's Show and Social Commentary

    07:54: Boxing and Kaytlin's World Tour

    10:33: Gender, Kink, and Feminine Rage

    14:00: Transformative Experiences and Emotions

    People:

    Guest: Kaytlin Bailey

    Hosts: Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, Melissa Milk

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    You can support the show at pateron.com/sapiotextual

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    34 mins
  • S2 E16: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway with Kaytlin Bailey
    Oct 14 2024
    Kaytlin Bailey discusses her show "Whore's Eye View," which combines comedy with a historical perspective on sex work, blending stand-up comedy with a real history lecture. She shares how her father's military background and her experiences as a sex worker influenced her writing, exploring themes of exploitation and violence across different professions. Through her show, Kaytlin aims to provide a nuanced understanding of sex work by juxtaposing it with other forms of labor and highlighting the boundaries and consent involved in both. Kaytlin also talks about her passion for boxing, which started as a way to channel her aggression and has become a recreational hobby. She explains how boxing has helped her process emotions, overcome trauma, and stay connected to her body. Jessie and Kaitlyn discuss the parallels between their experiences in sex work and boxing, emphasizing the importance of boundaries, consent, and self-discovery in both fields. Kaytlin also shares insights from her travels and experiences boxing in different countries, noting cultural differences and similarities in boxing gyms worldwide. The episode concludes with Kaitlyn discussing her upcoming projects, including future performances of "Whore's Eye View," and sharing resources for listeners interested in sex worker rights advocacy. In This Episode: 00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling podcast 01:23: Podcast host introduction & mission 02:44: Upcoming live event & nonprofit status 05:07: Kaytlin Bailey's show & background 08:02: Kaytlin introduces herself & her work 10:47: Juxtaposing military & sex work experiences 13:56: Boxing as a hobby & its impact 22:26: Lessons from sparring & personal growth 35:52: Wrap-up and book recommendations Guest: Sex worker rights advocate, comedian, and writer, Kaytlin Bailey is the Founder & Executive Director of Old Pros, a non-profit media organization creating conditions to change the status of sex workers in society. Host of The Oldest Profession Podcast, she is also the creator of Whore’s Eye View, a mad dash through 10,000 years of sex worker history. You can find Kaytlin: Website: kaytlinbailey.com X: @kaytlinbailey Instagram: @kaytlinbailey Recommendations: Candida Royalle and the Sexual Revolution: A History from Below by Jane Kamensky Normal Women: 900 Years of Making History by Philippa Gregory Florence and the Machine The Rest: RSVP to The Holy Hour Book Launch Event in Pittsburgh on Oct 16: HERE. Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.
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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • S2 E15 AP: One Man's Play on Words, Life, and Skin
    Oct 9 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts, Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Melissa Milk, engage in a lively discussion about their personal experiences and reflections on the topics of spirituality, sexuality, and consciousness. They start by expressing their love for October and share some amusing anecdotes about Halloween costumes and quirky questions from clients. As the conversation progresses, they delve into deeper subjects, such as the importance of understanding bodily functions and hygiene, especially in the context of working with clients who have high support needs. The hosts also touch on their backgrounds and how their upbringing and personal experiences have influenced their perspectives on these topics.

    The discussion takes a more profound turn when they reflect on a recent interview with Galen Grace, a tantric massage practitioner. They share their initial skepticism about tantric practices due to their misuse in some contexts but are ultimately moved by Galen's genuine and heartfelt approach. They discuss the significance of Galen's story about experiencing a life-threatening aortic dissection during a session, which highlights the deep connection between physical and spiritual healing. The hosts also explore the broader implications of sexual energy and its role in personal growth and well-being. Throughout the episode, they emphasize the interconnectedness of mind, body, and spirit, and the transformative power of shared experiences and open dialogue.

    In This Episode:

    00:10: Welcome and Favorite Months Discussion

    00:26: Halloween Tattoo and Fantasy Talk

    00:43: Halloween Costume Ideas

    05:25: Show Introductions and Partners

    06:30: Jessie and Melissa's Fun Session Story

    09:37: Transition to Galen's Interview

    11:02: Spirituality and Healing Discussion

    20:15: Cultural Differences and Moving to Pittsburgh

    28:15: Psychedelics and Consciousness

    People:

    Guest: Galen Grace

    Hosts: Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, Melissa Milk

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    You can support the show at pateron.com/sapiotextual

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    37 mins
  • Bonus: S2 E15: "I Got a New Tattoo" by Galen Grace
    Oct 8 2024

    Galen Grace, our S2 E15 podcast guest, shares this piece he wrote. We liked it so much, we decided to make it a bonus episode!

    Galen Grace was born in Wisconsin, grew up in Massachusetts, and presently resides in Pennsylvania, but he lives wherever he happens to be at that moment, feels at home everywhere in the universe, and steps through almost any door that opens to him. He's worked in academic and professional theatre, published a pair of award-winning novels, and performed sacred, healing touch since 2014.

    The piece he’s going to read for us is a work of creative nonfiction intended for live storytelling. Structured around a tattoo he got this summer, it recounts two trips he took to the desert southwest in recent years – “trips” in multiple senses of the word – as part of a quest to heal his grief from a series of personal losses and get his “spiritual groove” back. The events changed his life in ways he never imagined and brought him face to face with his mortality.

    You can find Galen:

    Website: thegalengrace.com

    X: @TheGalenGrace

    Instagram: @thegalengrace

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    18 mins
  • S2 E15: One Man's Play on Words, Life, and Skin with Galen Grace
    Oct 7 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling," Jessie Sage interviews Galen Grace, a Pittsburgh-based tantric massage therapist and writer who shares his profound spiritual journey and life experiences, including a near-death health crisis, spiritual awakenings through plant medicine, and the integration of his spiritual practice into everyday life. Galen's spoken word performance recounts his transformative trips to the desert Southwest and his endeavor to recover from significant personal losses and health challenges.

    Throughout the discussion, Galen elaborates on his background in theater and writing, his transition to offering sacred touch professionally, and the impact of his spiritual practices on his resilience and well-being. He emphasizes the importance of integrating spiritual experiences into daily life and how these practices have helped him navigate physical and emotional trauma. The conversation concludes with Galen sharing his current reading list, music preferences, and his excitement for the future.

    In This Episode:

    00:00:00: Introduction to "When We're Not Hustling" Podcast

    00:02:44: October Guest Lineup Overview

    00:05:04: Announcement of Live Event in Pittsburgh

    00:08:06: Guest Introduction: Galen Grace

    00:15:36: Galen Grace's Spoken Word Performance

    00:34:30: Discussion on Spiritual Practices and Integration

    00:53:22: Personal Health and Healing Journeys

    01:06:18: Closing Remarks and Where to Find Galen Grace

    Guest:

    Galen Grace was born in Wisconsin, grew up in Massachusetts, and presently resides in Pennsylvania, but he lives wherever he happens to be at that moment, feels at home everywhere in the universe, and steps through almost any door that opens to him. He's worked in academic and professional theatre, published a pair of award-winning novels, and performed sacred, healing touch since 2014.

    You can find Galen:

    Website: thegalengrace.com

    X: @TheGalenGrace

    Instagram: @thegalengrace

    Recommendations:

    Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life

    by Dacher Keltner

    Secure Love: Create a Relationship That Lasts a Lifetime by Julie Menanno

    Krishna Das

    Jai Uttal

    Sleeping at Last



    The Rest:

    RSVP to The Holy Hour Book Launch Event in Pittsburgh on Oct 16: HERE.

    Host: Jessie Sage

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    Sponsor: Assembly Four

    Powered by Black Venom Digital

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • S2 E14 AP: I Wrote a Ghost Story About the Dungeon That I Worked in for Years
    Oct 2 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," hosts Jessie Sage and Emily Foster are joined by guest host Melodie KG for her final episode in September. The trio discusses their experiences with managing multiple public personas and the complications that arise from separating their professional and private lives. They delve into the challenges sex workers face when publishing under pseudonyms, sharing personal anecdotes about navigating privacy and safety concerns.

    The conversation then shifts to reflecting on the interview with dominatrix and writer Stephanie Parent, who authored a Gothic horror novel set in a haunted LA dungeon where she worked. The hosts reflect on the process of confronting and exaggerating real-life fears and trauma for creative purposes, highlighting the psychological complexities involved. They draw parallels with their own experiences and discuss the broader implications of grappling with personal demons through art, particularly in the context of sex work.

    In This Episode:

    00:11: Welcome and Farewell to Melodie KG

    00:29: Importance of Community

    01:10: Stephanie Parent: Dominatrix and Gothic Horror Writer

    01:47: Navigating Publishing with Real vs. Pseudonyms

    04:20: Complications of Public vs. Private Personas

    06:48: Real-life Privacy and Digital Connectivity Challenges

    10:51: Facing and Exaggerating Real-life Traumas in Writing

    14:30: Shifting Preferences in Horror with Age and Experience

    18:13: Interacting with Trauma and Mastery Over Fears

    People:

    Guest: Stephanie Parent

    Hosts: Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, Melodie KG

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    You can support the show at pateron.com/sapiotextual

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    19 mins
  • Bonus: S2 E14: "Sacrifice" by Stephanie Parent
    Oct 2 2024

    A poem, read by the author.

    To hear the full episode/interview with Stephanie Parent, listen to it HERE.

    You can find Stephanie:

    Website: stephanieparent.net
    X: @sc parent
    Instagram: @sc parent

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    1 min
  • S2 E14: I Wrote a Ghost Story About the Dungeon That I Worked in for Years with Stephanie Parent
    Sep 30 2024

    In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling," Jessie Sage interviews writer and professional submissive Stephanie Parent. Stephanie discusses her journey into sex work, particularly her time working at a commercial dungeon in Los Angeles. She shares insights into the complexities of being a pro-submissive, the community and support among women in the industry, and the cathartic process of writing about her experiences. Stephanie's novel "The Briars," a gothic horror set in a dungeon, draws heavily from her real-life experiences, blending fiction with the emotional and psychological realities of sex work.

    The discussion also touches on the challenges and decisions Stephanie faced in writing under her real name versus a pseudonym, and how her work has evolved over time. She highlights her recent publication "My Dungeon Love Affair," a non-fiction chapbook, and her upcoming poetry collection. Stephanie reads her poem "Sacrifice," which explores themes of desire, self-worth, and the intersection of sexuality and spirituality. The episode concludes with Stephanie sharing her excitement about returning to writing and physical activities like aerial dance, and providing information on how listeners can find her work online.

    In This Episode:

    00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling

    00:43: Podcast welcome and intro song

    02:44: Announcement of today's guest, Stephanie Parent

    03:52: Stephanie Parent's background and professional experience

    12:29: The process of writing and selling non-fiction

    22:06: Writing the novel "The Briars"

    37:03: Transition from Dungeon work to independent work

    44:52: Experiences as a pro-submissive

    48:03: Stephanie Parent reads her poem, "Sacrifice"

    Guest:

    Stephanie Parent is a graduate of the Master of Professional Writing program at the University of Southern California as well as a professional submissive and switch. After working for six years at a commercial dungeon in Los Angeles, she's now writing about her personal and professional experiences with BDSM for publications including the HuffPost, Hippocampus, Pithead Chapel, Entropy, The Whorticulturalist and Mookychick. Her work has been anthologized in Dating & Sex: The Mutual Theory of Self-Destruction and Slut Vomit: An Anthology of Sex Work. Her first poetry collection, Every Poem a Potion, Every Song a Spell, was released in August 2022 from Querencia Press. Her debut gothic horror novel, The Briars, came out in May 2023 from
    Cemetery Gates Media.

    You can find Stephanie:

    Website: stephanieparent.net
    X: @sc parent
    Instagram: @sc parent

    Recommendations:

    The Honeywitch by Sydney Shields

    Bad Behavior by Mary Gaitskill

    The Rest:

    RSVP to The Holy Hour Book Launch Event in Pittsburgh on Oct 16: HERE.

    Host: Jessie Sage

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    Sponsor: Assembly Four

    Powered by Black Venom Digital

    When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    58 mins