With increasing automation at work and more opportunities for flexible working the 21st Century is delivering more leisure time than ever before. This is great, but the challenge is ensuring that we derive value from that leisure time and avoid spending it doing chores or watching TV.

Leisure activities do not provider the same sort of structure for social interactions as we experience at work. Instead, we must create that structure if we are to stop being the stranger in the room and start enjoying the activity.

In this episode of Rest and Recreation Michael Millward and Liam Cole discuss the art of starting a conversation and building a relationship.

Liam Cole is a director of Poppins. Agency a London based marketing agency. He has built his career from commission-based sales person to company director by forging constructive relationships with complete strangers.

Liam shares his experience with Michael and provides valuable lessons to anyone who wants to get out more and get involved.

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